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Post by adrianc on Jul 31, 2024 8:24:03 GMT
Everybody sane knows that the current tax take is not meeting the current expenditure - even before we consider the expenditure we may want. That might be because some is wasted through mismanagement. it might be because previous poor choices have saddled us with a huge debt burden and high interest rates. It might be because previous poor choices have only considered the price of everything and the value of nothing.
We need to change our mindset from the selfishness of "as little tax as possible" to considering wider society and "get value in paying for desired expenditure". Tax is the price we pay for living in a civilised society. And, yes, those who can most afford it might well end up paying a bit more, poor lambs.
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Post by agent69 on Jul 31, 2024 8:47:49 GMT
it might be because previous poor choices have saddled us with a huge debt burden and high interest rates. I would have thought the biggest impact on the debt burden would be the money spent dealing with Covid and the energy crisis that followed the Russian invasion in Ukraine. In both cases I don't see a lot of choice involved.
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Post by adrianc on Jul 31, 2024 10:09:58 GMT
it might be because previous poor choices have saddled us with a huge debt burden and high interest rates. I would have thought the biggest impact on the debt burden would be the money spent dealing with Covid and the energy crisis that followed the Russian invasion in Ukraine. In both cases I don't see a lot of choice involved. They're a part of it, sure. But the massive GDP hit of Brexit also plays a part, both directly and indirectly. So does Liz Truss's comedy budget. So does... <insert long list>
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Post by keitha on Jul 31, 2024 22:44:38 GMT
I would have thought the biggest impact on the debt burden would be the money spent dealing with Covid and the energy crisis that followed the Russian invasion in Ukraine. In both cases I don't see a lot of choice involved. They're a part of it, sure. But the massive GDP hit of Brexit also plays a part, both directly and indirectly. So does Liz Truss's comedy budget. So does... <insert long list> it's also interesting that many that benefitted from furlough to the tune of £100's a week are the same ones who begrudge the pensioners their WFA. I saw a comment on another forum today " Labour have taken MY Winter Fuel Allowance away, I'll never vote labour again" for pities sake £300 a year is £6 a week , a pint in many pubs, far less than the increases many working people have had in mortgages etc. I did see a suggestion that a crude but possibly more fair would be to do it on the basis of Council tax banding so any state pensioner ( Not sure how councils would know easily ) in a house banded A - D gets the £300 others would get nothing, this would mean most pensioners in my Council area would get it but probably only 50% in Cardiff.
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Post by benaj on Aug 9, 2024 14:36:08 GMT
Not sure if our gov care to “test” or “interview” all the candidates first before they are allowed to participate election in the future.
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Post by bernythedolt on Aug 10, 2024 17:01:48 GMT
They're a part of it, sure. But the massive GDP hit of Brexit also plays a part, both directly and indirectly. So does Liz Truss's comedy budget. So does... <insert long list> [...] I did see a suggestion that a crude but possibly more fair would be to do it on the basis of Council tax banding so any state pensioner ( Not sure how councils would know easily ) in a house banded A - D gets the £300 others would get nothing, this would mean most pensioners in my Council area would get it but probably only 50% in Cardiff. That sounds just the sort of suggestion you'd expect from somebody living in a band A - D property. Consider a pensioner in exactly the same style of house as yourself, on similar wages/benefits all their life and now on the exact same state pension, who happens to live in Cardiff. Their house is in a higher band only because it's worth more. Consequently they'll have paid more for their mortgage, maintenance, insurance and council tax all their working lives than your townsfolk did. Not only did they take the bigger risk all those years with the larger overhead, they've had far less disposable income all that time, so your townsfolk should have a much higher savings nest egg by now... unless they've hissed it all away and lived the high life. Instead, the suggestion is the Cardiff pensioner - on the exact same pension - shouldn't qualify for the benefit, whereas you should, allowing you to still continue to enjoy the better lifestyle? Doesn't sound particularly fair to me.
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Post by keitha on Aug 10, 2024 22:35:55 GMT
[...] I did see a suggestion that a crude but possibly more fair would be to do it on the basis of Council tax banding so any state pensioner ( Not sure how councils would know easily ) in a house banded A - D gets the £300 others would get nothing, this would mean most pensioners in my Council area would get it but probably only 50% in Cardiff. That sounds just the sort of suggestion you'd expect from somebody living in a band A - D property. Consider a pensioner in exactly the same style of house as yourself, on similar wages/benefits all their life and now on the exact same state pension, who happens to live in Cardiff. Their house is in a higher band only because it's worth more. Consequently they'll have paid more for their mortgage, maintenance, insurance and council tax all their working lives than your townsfolk did. Not only did they take the bigger risk all those years with the larger overhead, they've had far less disposable income all that time, so your townsfolk should have a much higher savings nest egg by now... unless they've hissed it all away and lived the high life. Instead, the suggestion is the Cardiff pensioner - on the exact same pension - shouldn't qualify for the benefit, whereas you should, allowing you to still continue to enjoy the better lifestyle? Doesn't sound particularly fair to me. But this is exactly what they did during Covid all households A-D received a payment no-one else did.
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Post by bernythedolt on Aug 10, 2024 23:46:47 GMT
Silly knee-jerk politics as usual. We know how they wasted money like water during covid.
Why not go the whole hog - let's kill all ambition and aspiration stone dead and dole out money to anyone who just holds their hands out? If you happen to find yourself living above band D, tough, you're just there to foot the bill.
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Post by keitha on Aug 11, 2024 11:12:21 GMT
Silly knee-jerk politics as usual. We know how they wasted money like water during covid. Why not go the whole hog - let's kill all ambition and aspiration stone dead and dole out money to anyone who just holds their hands out? If you happen to find yourself living above band D, tough, you're just there to foot the bill. I would love a bigger more modern house. But again as with many things in life fairness doesn't come into it, We have higher rates of Council tax here than most of the UK, many many people here live in rented accommodation that costs more than a mortgage would but they can't save the deposit. As to holding hands out honestly the sense of entitlement of many around here and I include some of my friends in this is staggering.
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Post by moonraker on Aug 27, 2024 13:37:55 GMT
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Post by scooter on Aug 27, 2024 13:55:00 GMT
I thought it had been "a good year for the roses" so far.... Root rot might set in in October...
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Post by moonraker on Aug 27, 2024 14:15:34 GMT
Leaves are already falling - and if they continue to do so only a stark stem will remain.
Not that I am without sympathy for the new Administration, and I identify with adrianc's post of July 31, "Everybody sane knows that ...".
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Post by benaj on Oct 31, 2024 7:25:31 GMT
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Post by benaj on Nov 2, 2024 14:59:47 GMT
Another female leader for the Conservative. Will Labour ever produce a female PM? Their opposition has delivered the three so far.
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Post by michaelc on Nov 2, 2024 17:01:41 GMT
Another female leader for the Conservative. Will Labour ever produce a female PM? Their opposition has delivered the three so far. The fact that she is black is more noteworthy.
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