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Post by ethel on Mar 11, 2023 0:22:09 GMT
What's all this fuss about Gary Lineker? Can't he say what he thinks? I personally I don't agree with him, but I don't see why he's been suspended. MOTD is going to be interesting with nobody there. Might be better and the BBC decide not to have him back. It all seems like a storm in a teacup to me.
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 11, 2023 0:34:22 GMT
Just like the Civil Service, I believe the BBC requires its employees, and especially its most prominent faces, to present political impartiality in all matters.
I complied with that for 40 years, because that was the contract I signed up to. Why can't Lineker?
He has often courted controversy on this, but this time he has crossed a line.
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Post by agent69 on Mar 11, 2023 3:21:47 GMT
Looks like he's doing a Prince Harry, and chucking his toys out of the pram when he can't get his own way. His co-presenters aren't a lot better (If they don't appear on TV I assume they can all be sued for breach of contract).
Still, probably no shortage of people to take his place for £1.3m a year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2023 8:33:35 GMT
The Conservative party seems to have lost the plot in terms of the optics.
Looking at the institutions of the country that give us confidence in the country one might include the NHS, the BBC, the Courts, the Police
The party seems to want to appear to attack or weaken all 4. I receive a weekly email from the party which wanders more and more into the absurd long grass. It offers general clues as to direction without SMART objectives or reasoning
If anyone points out problems with these blundering views they get attacked, mainly by the deputy Chairman. Getting too Trumpian for me.
Still bread and circuses may still keep them in power.
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Post by pikestaff on Mar 11, 2023 8:34:16 GMT
It's a manufactured row, fanned by the Tory press. The headlines in yesterday's papers were ludicrous. It was unwise of Gary Lineker to use the H word, but Everything else he said was fair comment and it won't surprise you that I agree with him 100%. As to the BBC's rules, political presenters and news personnel are required to maintain strict impartiality. Other employees are not, and Lineker's not an employee anyway (neither are Ian Wright and Alan Shearer). Though the BBC do expect Lineker to show some restraint because of his high profile. This report is pretty balanced IMO: www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-64922674Edit: Thanks to adrianc I stand corrected. He didn't use the H word. It appeared only in the hysterical reaction to his comments.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 11, 2023 9:03:15 GMT
It was unwise of Gary Lineker to use the H word The only "H" word he used was "huge". What he actually said was "language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 1930s" which seems to be a bit of a blatant truism.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 11, 2023 9:09:52 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Mar 11, 2023 9:20:51 GMT
Meanwhile, next to the Orwell statue at Broadcasting House...
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Post by travolta on Mar 11, 2023 9:39:13 GMT
Nice thought ,nice statue. BBC news and comment is totally personal to the small cabal that controls it . For some reason Gary is not inside that lot ...so lets kick him around and make a show of BBC being impartial.
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Post by keitha on Mar 11, 2023 10:24:52 GMT
What's all this fuss about Gary Lineker? Can't he say what he thinks? I personally I don't agree with him, but I don't see why he's been suspended. MOTD is going to be interesting with nobody there. Might be better and the BBC decide not to have him back. It all seems like a storm in a teacup to me. For me the issue is more that he's been warned before not to make political statements. his response to the BBC telling him so was a tweet making himself a victim a la harry and memeagain. he is paid more money per year as a pundit than many many viewers will earn in 20 years, the BBC have a right to ask him to be impartial. personally I also think he's very two faced when he moans about government cuts etc yet is involved in several tax avoidance schemes, and the comment from his lawyer on a recent investigation, was that HMRC should be looking elsewhere. the reason he, Fiona Bruce and many other presenters ( even some virtually unknowns) are contractors and not employees is simple they can pay less tax, by having the BBC pay the company that employs them ( owned by them ) for their services, they take some wages and the rest in dividends etc.
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 11, 2023 10:58:43 GMT
What's all this fuss about Gary Lineker? Can't he say what he thinks? I personally I don't agree with him, but I don't see why he's been suspended. MOTD is going to be interesting with nobody there. Might be better and the BBC decide not to have him back. It all seems like a storm in a teacup to me. .... the reason he, Fiona Bruce and many other presenters ( even some virtually unknowns) are contractors and not employees is simple they can pay less tax, by having the BBC pay the company that employs them ( owned by them ) for their services, they take some wages and the rest in dividends etc. before that is framed as if it was the choice of the presenters to work that way, some caution is required. As I recall there was a fairly recent trial/tribunal regarding presenters working outside IR35 rules and hence there was liability for additionl tax. However, the tribunal concluded that it was the BBC which forced a number of presenters to work in that way, and rather uniquely I suspect came to the conclusion that because of its actions the BBC were liable for a decent portion of the outstanding amounts. With the BBC subsequently unilateraly deciding to provide additional help to the affected parties. Edit: This is what I found: link
Whether GL was one of the other "aroiund 100" presenters this would apply to I have no idea.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 11, 2023 11:18:00 GMT
the reason he, Fiona Bruce and many other presenters ( even some virtually unknowns) are contractors and not employees is simple they can pay less tax, by having the BBC pay the company that employs them ( owned by them ) for their services, they take some wages and the rest in dividends etc. Or simply that they do more things than just that one. Perhaps they are genuinely self-employed, and the BBC is just one of their clients? B'sides, if they were "disguised employees", as you claim, then they'd fall firmly within the scope of IR35 and be taxed as employees.
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Post by registerme on Mar 11, 2023 11:22:03 GMT
Meanwhile everybody loses focus on how ******* rubbish the government has been, and is being, at everything else.
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 11, 2023 12:47:28 GMT
There are further constraints on both employees and freelancers. "The external activities and public comments, for example on social media, of staff, presenters and others who contribute to our output can also affect perceptions of the BBC’s impartiality."And "Where our content highlights issues on which others campaign, we must take care not to endorse those campaigns, or allow ourselves to be used to campaign to change public policy."Excerpts from www.bbc.com/editorialguidelines/guidelines/impartiality/(My highlighting)
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 11, 2023 13:05:30 GMT
Hunt out the W1A take on this on Hugh Bonneville's twitter ... that & extra highlights/less waffle best bits of this story.
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