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Post by adrianc on Apr 19, 2023 8:34:59 GMT
The Chief People Office for example is paid 200k+ for the people plan? The NHS is the UK's largest employer, the 4th largest employer in the world. 1.3m employees. I'd have thought somebody capable of being head of HR for that would be earning a lot more than that in the private sector, wouldn't you?
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Post by benaj on Apr 19, 2023 12:35:47 GMT
🤣 then our prime minister who is responsible of governing a country of 67 mil people should earn way a lot more in that sense
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Post by Mike on Apr 19, 2023 12:37:48 GMT
The way things are now I'd rather pay for something that works/is fit for purpose than get 'for free' something like the pigs-ear that is the current NHS.
You could double every medics' wage and it would still be a total horlicks
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2023 12:49:29 GMT
I suspect it has not been great for the last 20 years or so, but as you scrape away the good manners of the British people and you stress out the staff the muscles get weaker and weaker. The problem has always been that our national religion has been the NHS and until we start to break it we will not see the real service underneath.
BTW I sent a DM to my GP this morning at 9. At 10 the pharmacist called me back and by 10:12 we had a new plan for my medication.
Frankly pretty good, all using modern technology, thank goodness the faxes have now gone, out local hospital tracks where staff are so they can be moved ot the right place asap. Almost like an Amazon sweat shop.
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Post by moonraker on Apr 19, 2023 13:04:40 GMT
The way things are now I'd rather pay for something that works/is fit for purpose than get 'for free' something like the pigs-ear that is the current NHS. You could double every medics' wage and it would still be a total horlicks Several Europeans resident in the UK whom I know pay a relatively small sum for tests and very prompt results when they return home, in preference to trying to get them on the NHS here. The sums are much lower than those quoted on my appointment letters as the cost to the NHS should I miss an appointment. (Whilst appreciating that "no shows" are bad manners and a nuisance, I wonder if it costs the NHS the quoted sum, isn't it more likely that perhaps that's the cost of staff time and use of equipment when a patient does turn up.)
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Post by benaj on Apr 19, 2023 15:22:12 GMT
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Post by Greenwood2 on Apr 19, 2023 19:39:05 GMT
The way things are now I'd rather pay for something that works/is fit for purpose than get 'for free' something like the pigs-ear that is the current NHS. You could double every medics' wage and it would still be a total horlicks Several Europeans resident in the UK whom I know pay a relatively small sum for tests and very prompt results when they return home, in preference to trying to get them on the NHS here. The sums are much lower than those quoted on my appointment letters as the cost to the NHS should I miss an appointment. ( Whilst appreciating that "no shows" are bad manners and a nuisance, I wonder if it costs the NHS the quoted sum, isn't it more likely that perhaps that's the cost of staff time and use of equipment when a patient does turn up.) Much more than this It means there are empty slots at the surgery/hospital and other people can't get an appointments because the list is full. This is not trivial and when repeated through the NHS costs a fortune and leaves patients without appointments they need.
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Post by aju on Apr 20, 2023 15:21:27 GMT
I wonder if no shows should be charged £25 that might make the no show types think twice. Mind you i'm not sure they could enforce it easily. I don't have tory leanings but it seems that some people should at least be challenged.
Slight side issue on similar vein; when i worked for BT we had an engineer who decided to quit without telling anyone where he was he was paid for quite a few months before someone in management decided they should query it. The manager contacted the person and he said I thought i'd left months ago. Not sure if they clawed the money back and it was some 30 odd years ago! so i guess nothing has really changed. BT was 'Privatised by then' but to be honest it felt like the same company whilst i was there both as GPO and then BT.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 20, 2023 15:32:24 GMT
...but to be honest it felt like the same company whilst i was there both as GPO and then BT. Why would who owns the shares change anything?
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Post by aju on Apr 20, 2023 15:44:36 GMT
...but to be honest it felt like the same company whilst i was there both as GPO and then BT. Why would who owns the shares change anything? Did I say anything about who owns the shares I was just recounting an observation.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 20, 2023 15:45:40 GMT
Why would who owns the shares change anything? Did I say anything about who owns the shares I was just recounting an observation. Well, that's the only thing that changed at privatisation. The government sold the shares they owned.
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Post by michaelc on Apr 20, 2023 15:48:46 GMT
...but to be honest it felt like the same company whilst i was there both as GPO and then BT. Why would who owns the shares change anything? It changes a lot. If Musk owns them you're gonna be worked to the bone. In general, public limited companies have pressure to show results every quarter. Privately owned companies can take a much longer view. Debt leveraged companies may focus relentlessly on costs possibly at the expense of long term growth. Publicly owned bodies have to think about public perception and politics - a lot of focus on taxpayers money etc. All these trends will have different effects on those working within.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 20, 2023 15:49:57 GMT
Why would who owns the shares change anything? It changes a lot. If Musk owns them you're gonna be worked to the bone. Ah, now that's a different question from ownership... The changes there were because of a different CEO, not different shareholders.
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Post by aju on Apr 20, 2023 15:50:41 GMT
Did I say anything about who owns the shares I was just recounting an observation. Well, that's the only thing that changed at privatisation. The government sold the shares they owned. Oh I see what you mean. The statement is not quite true I got free shares, we still have them (I gave half to Mrs aju recently for tax reasons), but what we should do now that we will probably have to pay tax on them soon with coming dividend changes. That in itself is not a pain but have to then fill out forms for the tax man that we have not filled out before might be a bit of a pain - Our HMRC experience has not been much except to check they are getting it right so far.
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Post by michaelc on Apr 26, 2023 15:21:55 GMT
Someone I know well has a sudden hearing difficulty in one ear. Last week she could only get an appointment with the nurse who said it should clear up by itself.
Now its getting worse - harder to hear in that ear - and again could not get to see a GP so has another appointment today with the nurse. Lets hope she escalates and is able to book a (short) GP appointment.
Have a feeling this sort of thing is normal now.
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