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Post by daveb on Jun 9, 2023 19:49:41 GMT
I suspect the Mad Nad and BoJo resignations will wipe this Schofield nonsense off the media's radar
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Post by martin44 on Jun 9, 2023 19:53:00 GMT
I suspect the Mad Nad and BoJo resignations will wipe this Schofield nonsense off the media's radar
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Post by adrianc on Jun 11, 2023 15:53:01 GMT
I suspect the Mad Nad and BoJo resignations will wipe this Schofield nonsense off the media's radar Coming straight after he read the committee report... If he'd been suspended for 10 days or more, that'd have triggered a recall petition in his constituency. More than 10% of the electorate sign it (a dead cert), and there's a by-election. By resigning before he can be sacked, he gets to hold his head up high (in his own mind)... The end result's the same, there's a by-election. And in the other two constituencies, MadNad's (was BJ lining up to stand in that?) and Nigel Adams' (who?).
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Post by martin44 on Jun 16, 2023 19:44:34 GMT
Who said politics is boring? never saw the bojo resignation coming. Coming straight after he read the committee report... If he'd been suspended for 10 days or more, that'd have triggered a recall petition in his constituency. More than 10% of the electorate sign it (a dead cert), and there's a by-election. By resigning before he can be sacked, he gets to hold his head up high (in his own mind)... The end result's the same, there's a by-election. And in the other two constituencies, MadNad's (was BJ lining up to stand in that?) and Nigel Adams' (who?). Theres loads we could say about this report on both sides of the political spectrum ... but this is almost a carbon copy of the democrats hate trump stitch up ....
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Post by michaelc on Jun 16, 2023 20:18:17 GMT
Coming straight after he read the committee report... If he'd been suspended for 10 days or more, that'd have triggered a recall petition in his constituency. More than 10% of the electorate sign it (a dead cert), and there's a by-election. By resigning before he can be sacked, he gets to hold his head up high (in his own mind)... The end result's the same, there's a by-election. And in the other two constituencies, MadNad's (was BJ lining up to stand in that?) and Nigel Adams' (who?). Theres loads we could say about this report on both sides of the political spectrum ... but this is almost a carbon copy of the democrats hate trump stitch up .... Yes its just amazing what is going on. For much of my life I considered western liberalism to be the most reasonable and fair system for all. Now they seem to have gone mad. Brexit was used by them as the reason to attempt to trash democracy and so it goes on. I think it was last night on Newsnight which I still bring myself to watch, where they were talking about Johnson. Ok, they have _one_ guest talking favourably about him but he was interrupted by Victoria Derbyshire over twenty times. Moreover, they brought to the table a victim of the worst of the covid funeral stories and asked that one guest if he would apologise to her etc. It was an utter set up. Why do they do it ? Now the aggressive liberals in the US despise a former president so much they want to put him in prison. Given he's still extremely popular (far more so than say Navalny in Russia), incarcerating him on some very spurious charges brings the whole of the US justice down to the level of countries like Russia and other emerging nations in Africa etc where opposition leaders are also routinely thrown in jail because they are hated by some. I've never seen this affront to our democracies. It is so dangerous that what happens next could be terrifying for all who live here. angrysaveruk
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Post by martin44 on Jun 16, 2023 20:25:18 GMT
Theres loads we could say about this report on both sides of the political spectrum ... but this is almost a carbon copy of the democrats hate trump stitch up .... Yes its just amazing what is going on. For much of my life I considered western liberalism to be the most reasonable and fair system for all. Now they seem to have gone mad. Brexit was used by them as the reason to attempt to trash democracy and so it goes on. I think it was last night on Newsnight which I still bring myself to watch, where they were talking about Johnson. Ok, they have _one_ guest talking favourably about him but he was interrupted by Victoria Derbyshire over twenty times. Moreover, they brought to the table a victim of the worst of the covid funeral stories and asked that one guest if he would apologise to her etc. It was an utter set up. Why do they do it ? Now the aggressive liberals in the US despise a former president so much they want to put him in prison. Given he's still extremely popular (far more so than say Navalny in Russia), incarcerating him on some very spurious charges brings the whole of the US justice down to the level of countries like Russia and other emerging nations in Africa etc where opposition leaders are also routinely thrown in jail because they are hated by some. I've never seen this affront to our democracies. It is so dangerous that what happens next could be terrifying for all who live here. angrysaveruk On the left wing red wall perspective .. there is without doubt the opinion of "we will take boris... warts and all...... before sunak or starmer"
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 16, 2023 21:46:32 GMT
Coming straight after he read the committee report... If he'd been suspended for 10 days or more, that'd have triggered a recall petition in his constituency. More than 10% of the electorate sign it (a dead cert), and there's a by-election. By resigning before he can be sacked, he gets to hold his head up high (in his own mind)... The end result's the same, there's a by-election. And in the other two constituencies, MadNad's (was BJ lining up to stand in that?) and Nigel Adams' (who?). Theres loads we could say about this report on both sides of the political spectrum ... but this is almost a carbon copy of the democrats hate trump stitch up .... Hardly given the majority on the committee is Tory ...
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 17, 2023 7:18:50 GMT
Theres loads we could say about this report on both sides of the political spectrum ... but this is almost a carbon copy of the democrats hate trump stitch up .... ... ahh, but they are all TINOs I hear others cry - "Get me out of here...but not just yet" Nadders being the chief cheerleader for that particular line. Lets just refresh ourselves on "the process" here. The House of Commons is the democratically elected chamber of the UKs parliamentary system. The Committee of Privileges is a committee appointed by the HoC. The party make up is related to the party make up of the HoC, hence in this case the Conservative party have more members than any other party. The people on the committee are selected by vote of the members of the HoC, specifically each party votes for the members they wish to take their allocated seats. The appointments are made at the beginning of each parliament IIRC. The matters that go to the CoP for consideration do so by way of the HoC voting for them to do so. The sanctions available to the CoP are purely related to Parliament - it is not part of the criminal justice system. So we have a standing committee appointed by a free vote of the democratically elected members of the House Of Commons; broadly (not precisely) representing the party political makeup of the said HoC at the time of the last GE; considering only matters put to it by a (free vote) of the members of the said HoC; and in this particular case, those committee members reached a unanimous judgement. In this thread this has been likened to a an attack on democracy such as to be akin to or a pathway to a state like Russia. Since Navalny has been mentioned by name, we would do well to remind ourselves what the Russian state had done: including an attempt to kill him by poisoning, and then chucking him in jail to rot, with a never ending supply of more trumped up charges to extend his stay. A system which imprisons people for 'criticising the Russian armed services', or for failing to call a war a war, and which can arbitrarily shut down the last vestiges of meaningfully independent media outlets. Drawing an equivalence between the two does a huge disservice to the suffering of those who try to act against the authoritarian powers in Russia. The same can be said of the comparison with African authoritarian regimes. *Some minor edits.
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Post by michaelc on Jun 17, 2023 12:15:56 GMT
Hardly given the majority on the committee is Tory ... ahh, but they are all TINOs I hear others cry - "Get me out of here...but not just yet" Nadders being the chief cheerleader for that particular line. <snipped unread> Baroness Dorries to you. 
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Post by daveb on Jun 17, 2023 15:25:01 GMT
"Brexit was used by them as the reason to attempt to trash democracy and so it goes on."
Not really understanding this. Who are the "them?" We voted to leave and left-the debate was on what leave looked like, not on whether or not we left.
The Tories have been in office for 13 years. Most of the papers support Brexit
I just don't see these all-powerful liberals frustrating the will of the people at every turn that some seem to.
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Post by daveb on Jun 17, 2023 15:26:03 GMT
duplicated in error
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Post by agent69 on Jun 17, 2023 16:26:38 GMT
ahh, but they are all TINOs I hear others cry - "Get me out of here...but not just yet" Nadders being the chief cheerleader for that particular line. <snipped unread> to you. Can't see her getting anywhere near such elevated status (in fact I can't see her going very far).
I suspect that the next time they meet in public, her first words to Boris will be 'do you want fries with that'
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Post by michaelc on Jun 17, 2023 16:34:53 GMT
"Brexit was used by them as the reason to attempt to trash democracy and so it goes on."
Not really understanding this. Who are the "them?" We voted to leave and left-the debate was on what leave looked like, not on whether or not we left.
The Tories have been in office for 13 years. Most of the papers support Brexit
I just don't see these all-powerful liberals frustrating the will of the people at every turn that some seem to.
I think you're referring to my post? "Them?" - you broadly answered this question in your final line. I'm no expert on the subject but I think in the US they're called "neocons" and WIki has similar pages for the UK. I would characterise them as aggressive liberals who desire a world where everyone lives like they do and will stop at almost nothing to get it - including overturning democracy and war. "We voted to leave and left-the debate was on what leave looked like, not on whether or not we left."This is quite important and that is exactly what I thought Leave voters were voting for. The problem is many influential Remainers (largely liberal) seemed to decide that they could also debate the question regarding "whether" to leave as well as "how" ! It was this matter that was far, far more important than whether or not we remained in the EU.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 17, 2023 17:21:10 GMT
"Brexit was used by them as the reason to attempt to trash democracy and so it goes on."
Not really understanding this. Who are the "them?" We voted to leave and left-the debate was on what leave looked like, not on whether or not we left.
The Tories have been in office for 13 years. Most of the papers support Brexit
I just don't see these all-powerful liberals frustrating the will of the people at every turn that some seem to.
I think you're referring to my post? "Them?" - you broadly answered this question in your final line. I'm no expert on the subject but I think in the US they're called " neocons" and WIki has similar pages for the UK. I would characterise them as aggressive liberals who desire a world where everyone lives like they do and will stop at almost nothing to get it - including overturning democracy and war.Umm. Are you sure you aren't confusing your "neocons" with ... something else entirely. Given that one of the core characteristics of those labelled as neocons is advocation of the promotion of democracy.
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 17, 2023 17:46:53 GMT
"Brexit was used by them as the reason to attempt to trash democracy and so it goes on."
Not really understanding this. Who are the "them?" We voted to leave and left-the debate was on what leave looked like, not on whether or not we left.
The Tories have been in office for 13 years. Most of the papers support Brexit
I just don't see these all-powerful liberals frustrating the will of the people at every turn that some seem to.
I think you're referring to my post? "Them?" - you broadly answered this question in your final line. I'm no expert on the subject but I think in the US they're called "neocons" and WIki has similar pages for the UK. I would characterise them as aggressive liberals who desire a world where everyone lives like they do and will stop at almost nothing to get it - including overturning democracy and war. "We voted to leave and left-the debate was on what leave looked like, not on whether or not we left."This is quite important and that is exactly what I thought Leave voters were voting for. The problem is many influential Remainers (largely liberal) seemed to decide that they could also debate the question regarding "whether" to leave as well as "how" ! It was this matter that was far, far more important than whether or not we remained in the EU. Your making the assumption that influential remainers were any more clued up than influential Brexiteers ... the clued up Brexiteers were the originals, you won't see any of them prominent because as they were clued up they know most of influential on both sides were talking bollocks.
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