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Post by martin44 on Jun 17, 2023 19:40:10 GMT
Theres loads we could say about this report on both sides of the political spectrum ... but this is almost a carbon copy of the democrats hate trump stitch up .... Hardly given the majority on the committee is Tory ... Tory remainers?
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Post by daveb on Jun 17, 2023 19:55:16 GMT
Hardly given the majority on the committee is Tory ... Tory remainers? Apparently not Bernard Jenkins wikipedia "Jenkin was elected chairman of the Public Administration Select Committee in May 2010. He is a longstanding critic of the European Union, believing that EU membership undermined the United Kingdom's national sovereignty, and he was one of the Maastricht Rebels during the premiership of John Major. In the 2016 EU referendum he supported Brexit and from 2017 he was one of the most vocal supporters of the Eurosceptic pressure group Leave Means Leave. "
Andy Carter red wall MP elected 2019, I can see no record of his vote in the referendum but his election literature welcomed Boris's deal
Sir Charles Walker wiki includes "In 2011, Walker made what is believed by some to be the shortest Parliamentary speech in history, when he made a four-word contribution in a European Union debate on membership: "If not now, when?"[11] (referring to the option of a referendum on the issue) "
Alberto Costa was the only Tory remainer on the committee
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Post by michaelc on Jun 17, 2023 20:00:44 GMT
I think you're referring to my post? "Them?" - you broadly answered this question in your final line. I'm no expert on the subject but I think in the US they're called " neocons" and WIki has similar pages for the UK. I would characterise them as aggressive liberals who desire a world where everyone lives like they do and will stop at almost nothing to get it - including overturning democracy and war.Umm. Are you sure you aren't confusing your "neocons" with ... something else entirely. Given that one of the core characteristics of those labelled as neocons is advocation of the promotion of democracy. They might advocate it but it doesn't mean they actually practice it does it ? I'm sure Putin would say he was elected democratically. Means nothing.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jun 17, 2023 20:01:14 GMT
Theres loads we could say about this report on both sides of the political spectrum ... but this is almost a carbon copy of the democrats hate trump stitch up .... Yes its just amazing what is going on. For much of my life I considered western liberalism to be the most reasonable and fair system for all. Now they seem to have gone mad. Brexit was used by them as the reason to attempt to trash democracy and so it goes on. I think it was last night on Newsnight which I still bring myself to watch, where they were talking about Johnson. Ok, they have _one_ guest talking favourably about him but he was interrupted by Victoria Derbyshire over twenty times. Moreover, they brought to the table a victim of the worst of the covid funeral stories and asked that one guest if he would apologise to her etc. It was an utter set up. Why do they do it ? Now the aggressive liberals in the US despise a former president so much they want to put him in prison. Given he's still extremely popular (far more so than say Navalny in Russia), incarcerating him on some very spurious charges brings the whole of the US justice down to the level of countries like Russia and other emerging nations in Africa etc where opposition leaders are also routinely thrown in jail because they are hated by some. I've never seen this affront to our democracies. It is so dangerous that what happens next could be terrifying for all who live here. angrysaveruk
(I liked Phillip Schofield the moment I saw him on day time TV with his hand inside a gopher, and I think he is probably a nice guy.)
I totally agree with this - we are heading into very dangerous times. I am not a massive fan of Donald Trump who is to a certain extent an egomaniac rich kid, but people should not underestimate the danger he is putting himself in*. You also have to ask yourself what is it about Biden that has made him president in the first place, he is obviously a puppet but for some reason he is a particularly useful puppet. I can take a couple of guesses, and one of them would probably be right. Anyhow the US is bankrupt along with most of the west, it is economic forces that will bring it all crashing down and bring all this BS to an end. Luckily I have moved to the last sensible country in the West - Switzerland.
* - After extensive research I do not believe the official story of what happened to JFK.
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Post by martin44 on Jun 17, 2023 20:26:50 GMT
Apparently not Bernard Jenkins wikipedia "Jenkin was elected chairman of the Public Administration Select Committee in May 2010. He is a longstanding critic of the European Union, believing that EU membership undermined the United Kingdom's national sovereignty, and he was one of the Maastricht Rebels during the premiership of John Major. In the 2016 EU referendum he supported Brexit and from 2017 he was one of the most vocal supporters of the Eurosceptic pressure group Leave Means Leave. "
Andy Carter red wall MP elected 2019, I can see no record of his vote in the referendum but his election literature welcomed Boris's deal
Sir Charles Walker wiki includes "In 2011, Walker made what is believed by some to be the shortest Parliamentary speech in history, when he made a four-word contribution in a European Union debate on membership: "If not now, when?"[11] (referring to the option of a referendum on the issue) "
Alberto Costa was the only Tory remainer on the committee
sorry you lost me at your first 4 words.... bernard jenkins... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12199851/Partygate-hypocrite-Bernard-Jenkin-enthusiastic-nudist-married-Richard-Curtis-ex.html 
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Post by agent69 on Jun 17, 2023 20:35:29 GMT
I totally agree with this - we are heading into very dangerous times. I am not a massive fan of Donald Trump who is to a certain extent an egomaniac rich kid, but people should not underestimate the danger he is putting himself in*. You also have to ask yourself what is it about Biden that has made him president in the first place, he is obviously a puppet but for some reason he is a particularly useful puppet. I can take a couple of guesses, and one of them would probably be right. Anyhow the US is bankrupt along with most of the west, it is economic forces that will bring it all crashing down and bring all this BS to an end. Luckily I have moved to the last sensible country in the West - Switzerland.
* - After extensive research I do not believe the official story of what happened to JFK.
It constantly amazes me that a country of 330m people can award high office to people who are obviously not up to the job. If you look at recent history:
- President Ronald Regan - a senile old fool who should have stuck to making movies
- President George W Bush - IQ lower than his age
- Vice president Dan Quayle - possibly a lower IQ than W
- President Donald Trump - a narcissistic, self obsessed, vituperous idiot
- President Joe Biden - another senile old fool
The only thing worse than this is the thought that the odious Angela Rayner might end up as deputy prime minister, purely due to her union links.
PS: if the financial system in the west comes crashing down, being in Switzerland isn't going to save you.
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Post by martin44 on Jun 17, 2023 20:56:30 GMT
I totally agree with this - we are heading into very dangerous times. I am not a massive fan of Donald Trump who is to a certain extent an egomaniac rich kid, but people should not underestimate the danger he is putting himself in*. You also have to ask yourself what is it about Biden that has made him president in the first place, he is obviously a puppet but for some reason he is a particularly useful puppet. I can take a couple of guesses, and one of them would probably be right. Anyhow the US is bankrupt along with most of the west, it is economic forces that will bring it all crashing down and bring all this BS to an end. Luckily I have moved to the last sensible country in the West - Switzerland.
* - After extensive research I do not believe the official story of what happened to JFK.
It constantly amazes me that a country of 330m people can award high office to people who are obviously not up to the job. If you look at recent history:
- President Ronald Regan - a senile old fool who should have stuck to making movies
- President George W Bush - IQ lower than his age
- Vice president Dan Quayle - possibly a lower IQ than W
- President Donald Trump - a narcissistic, self obsessed, vituperous idiot
- President Joe Biden - another senile old fool
The only thing worse than this is the thought that the odious Angela Rayner might end up as deputy prime minister, purely due to her union links.
PS: if the financial system in the west comes crashing down, being in Switzerland isn't going to save you.
my bold.. total rubbish.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jun 17, 2023 21:07:12 GMT
I totally agree with this - we are heading into very dangerous times. I am not a massive fan of Donald Trump who is to a certain extent an egomaniac rich kid, but people should not underestimate the danger he is putting himself in*. You also have to ask yourself what is it about Biden that has made him president in the first place, he is obviously a puppet but for some reason he is a particularly useful puppet. I can take a couple of guesses, and one of them would probably be right. Anyhow the US is bankrupt along with most of the west, it is economic forces that will bring it all crashing down and bring all this BS to an end. Luckily I have moved to the last sensible country in the West - Switzerland.
* - After extensive research I do not believe the official story of what happened to JFK.
It constantly amazes me that a country of 330m people can award high office to people who are obviously not up to the job. If you look at recent history:
- President Ronald Regan - a senile old fool who should have stuck to making movies
- President George W Bush - IQ lower than his age
- Vice president Dan Quayle - possibly a lower IQ than W
- President Donald Trump - a narcissistic, self obsessed, vituperous idiot
- President Joe Biden - another senile old fool
The only thing worse than this is the thought that the odious Angela Rayner might end up as deputy prime minister, purely due to her union links.
PS: if the financial system in the west comes crashing down, being in Switzerland isn't going to save you.
The only person I can compare Biden to is Bill (we better cover this up) Clinton and Lyndon (we better cover this up) Johnson *, but I suspect he is "worse" and therefore more valuable to the deep state forces who have put him in the White House in spite of his total incompetence, Clinton and Johnson were not incompetent * - he is nothing like anyone else on your list who were relatively scandal free PS you are right it wont save me if the west comes crashing down, but UK is going to be ground zero when this economic meteor hits and I dont want to be at the epicentre.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jun 18, 2023 10:46:27 GMT
It constantly amazes me that a country of 330m people can award high office to people who are obviously not up to the job. If you look at recent history:
- President Ronald Regan - a senile old fool who should have stuck to making movies
- President George W Bush - IQ lower than his age
- Vice president Dan Quayle - possibly a lower IQ than W
- President Donald Trump - a narcissistic, self obsessed, vituperous idiot
- President Joe Biden - another senile old fool
The only thing worse than this is the thought that the odious Angela Rayner might end up as deputy prime minister, purely due to her union links.
PS: if the financial system in the west comes crashing down, being in Switzerland isn't going to save you.
The only person I can compare Biden to is Bill (we better cover this up) Clinton and Lyndon (we better cover this up) Johnson *, but I suspect he is "worse" and therefore more valuable to the deep state forces who have put him in the White House in spite of his total incompetence, Clinton and Johnson were not incompetent * - he is nothing like anyone else on your list who were relatively scandal free PS you are right it wont save me if the west comes crashing down, but UK is going to be ground zero when this economic meteor hits and I dont want to be at the epicentre. The disaster theories started in the 70s in the US and there are still people holed up in their nuclear shelters with their mountain of tins of baked beans, now being joined by the current crop of disaster predictors in their log cabins with their hoard of guns to protect themselves from God knows who. Planning for some disaster that will probably never happen is a waste of life. I see the UK more as a backwater than the epicentre of anything.
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Post by michaelc on Jun 18, 2023 12:03:32 GMT
I totally agree with this - we are heading into very dangerous times. I am not a massive fan of Donald Trump who is to a certain extent an egomaniac rich kid, but people should not underestimate the danger he is putting himself in*. You also have to ask yourself what is it about Biden that has made him president in the first place, he is obviously a puppet but for some reason he is a particularly useful puppet. I can take a couple of guesses, and one of them would probably be right. Anyhow the US is bankrupt along with most of the west, it is economic forces that will bring it all crashing down and bring all this BS to an end. Luckily I have moved to the last sensible country in the West - Switzerland.
* - After extensive research I do not believe the official story of what happened to JFK.
It constantly amazes me that a country of 330m people can award high office to people who are obviously not up to the job. If you look at recent history:
- President Ronald Regan - a senile old fool who should have stuck to making movies
- President George W Bush - IQ lower than his age
- Vice president Dan Quayle - possibly a lower IQ than W
- President Donald Trump - a narcissistic, self obsessed, vituperous idiot
- President Joe Biden - another senile old fool
The only thing worse than this is the thought that the odious Angela Rayner might end up as deputy prime minister, purely due to her union links.
PS: if the financial system in the west comes crashing down, being in Switzerland isn't going to save you.
That's because we, unlike China and most large corporations, we don't govern by meritocracy. We do so by democracy. That is obviously the fairest system but does not produce optimum results.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jun 18, 2023 14:14:50 GMT
The only person I can compare Biden to is Bill (we better cover this up) Clinton and Lyndon (we better cover this up) Johnson *, but I suspect he is "worse" and therefore more valuable to the deep state forces who have put him in the White House in spite of his total incompetence, Clinton and Johnson were not incompetent * - he is nothing like anyone else on your list who were relatively scandal free PS you are right it wont save me if the west comes crashing down, but UK is going to be ground zero when this economic meteor hits and I dont want to be at the epicentre. The disaster theories started in the 70s in the US and there are still people holed up in their nuclear shelters with their mountain of tins of baked beans, now being joined by the current crop of disaster predictors in their log cabins with their hoard of guns to protect themselves from God knows who. Planning for some disaster that will probably never happen is a waste of life. I see the UK more as a backwater than the epicentre of anything.
I dont know what moving to Switzerland has to do with living in a bomb shelter. Anyone with any sense can see the UK is in for a very rough ride and I am very pleased to have extracted most of my wealth from the UK and moved abroad.
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Post by ozboy on Jun 18, 2023 17:28:03 GMT
It constantly amazes me that a country of 330m people can award high office to people who are obviously not up to the job. If you look at recent history:
- President Ronald Regan - a senile old fool who should have stuck to making movies
- President George W Bush - IQ lower than his age
- Vice president Dan Quayle - possibly a lower IQ than W
- President Donald Trump - a narcissistic, self obsessed, vituperous idiot
- President Joe Biden - another senile old fool
The only thing worse than this is the thought that the odious Angela Rayner might end up as deputy prime minister, purely due to her union links.
PS: if the financial system in the west comes crashing down, being in Switzerland isn't going to save you.
my bold.. total rubbish. It has been said that Reagan was one of the best Presidents the USA ever had. He knew he wasn't particularly gifted or intelligent, so when an issue came up he would gather the relevent specialists in a room and they'd discuss and debate and thrash it around until a consensus was reached, which he would then endorse as policy. A reasonable way to run a democracy? Not my opinion, just what I have read from more than one source.
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Post by agent69 on Jun 18, 2023 20:04:19 GMT
It has been said that Reagan was one of the best Presidents the USA ever had. He knew he wasn't particularly gifted or intelligent, so when an issue came up he would gather the relevent specialists in a room and they'd discuss and debate and thrash it around until a consensus was reached, which he would then endorse as policy. A reasonable way to run a democracy? Not my opinion, just what I have read from more than one source. So how the hell did he become President?
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Post by michaelc on Jun 18, 2023 20:38:52 GMT
It has been said that Reagan was one of the best Presidents the USA ever had. He knew he wasn't particularly gifted or intelligent, so when an issue came up he would gather the relevent specialists in a room and they'd discuss and debate and thrash it around until a consensus was reached, which he would then endorse as policy. A reasonable way to run a democracy? Not my opinion, just what I have read from more than one source. So how the hell did he become President? See my answer above. 
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Post by keitha on Jun 19, 2023 10:20:31 GMT
The disaster theories started in the 70s in the US and there are still people holed up in their nuclear shelters with their mountain of tins of baked beans, now being joined by the current crop of disaster predictors in their log cabins with their hoard of guns to protect themselves from God knows who. Planning for some disaster that will probably never happen is a waste of life. LOL too many idjits in the US of A. Was talking to an American friend in the US over the weekend he's just ordered another 10,000 rounds of Ammo for his various guns ! 10,000 enough to take out a small town. He believes the "liberal retards" will try to change the constitution to remove his "right" to own an assault rifle, and that his guns will be taken from his cold dead hands. but then he can't understand how I can walk around without a "long gun" in my car trunk, and a 45 in a holster, he insists I must live a life of fear, he can't see that we are safer without guns as gun crime is so rare it doesn't scare us
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