bernythedolt
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Post by bernythedolt on Sept 20, 2023 12:01:18 GMT
I'm saying nothing of the sort (but I think you know that). It's the macro-politics that matter here, not micro-. It's for each country to develop its own policy and mankind can only hope the big players fall into line and behave in a responsible manner. Unless it's already too late, as some scientists now believe. I think you're in need of a big reality check. No government in the world is going to risk economic development so they can be top of the 'least poluting country' charts. May be there's a better way. How about the amount of polution you can create is inversely proportional to the state of your economy?
And if the experts are correct and it's already too late, then what's the point of trying?
That's a bit rich from the forumite who probably jets around the globe more than any other here! Some experts, not all. Many (and I presume most) believe the situation is still retrievable.
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Post by james100 on Sept 20, 2023 12:03:51 GMT
Interesting. Top of the chart, British Virgin Islands. 987t per km2 per year. Meanwhile, Uk is well below world’s average 73, only 1.564t per km2 per year, just a bit higher than its main importer Does it mean the other developing country producing almost everything for the world is doing quite a good job or even better job than the developed country like the UK? EDit: My bad, I have been misled by the table. Figures are quoted in Co2 per Km2 per year, no wonder the figure for the middle kingdom doesn’t make sense. Rest of the world have almost reduced their emissions from 2017. Must be from all the extra laundry they have to do. Money laundering But the list indicates obvious situation re collective benefits taken from/incurred at key geographic locations that aren't necessarily a function of governmental decision making (or local resident choice) which other regions are happy to benefit from eg. cruise ships, specific ore mining, oil industry etc. Begging the question of how far to take the "beneficiary pays" approach where it can be easily identified to incentivise reduction (look at how sensitive the British public were to the 5p compulsory plastic bag charge). Anyway, very interesting and uncomfortable discussion - I was depressed enough age 12 learning about greenhouse gases, deforestation impacts etc and forecasts of how it would all end. Things have not exactly perked up since then. One related thing I never see enough discussion on is where responsibility lies for displacement of climate change refugees - everyone's been sticking their head in the sand for far too long about that.
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Post by agent69 on Sept 20, 2023 13:20:13 GMT
I think you're in need of a big reality check. No government in the world is going to risk economic development so they can be top of the 'least poluting country' charts. May be there's a better way. How about the amount of polution you can create is inversely proportional to the state of your economy?
And if the experts are correct and it's already too late, then what's the point of trying?
That's a bit rich from the forumite who probably jets around the globe more than any other here! Some experts, not all. Many (and I presume most) believe the situation is still retrievable. There you go again, jumping in with both feet without knowing the facts.
- Most airlines have a facility for you to pay a bit extra and carbon offset
- I have a big garden with lots of carbon guzzling trees and bushes, so may well be carbon neutral
However, this does raise another issue. If I fly with Qatar airways from London - Doha - Sydney in business class it generates about 7t of CO2. As far as I know, the people who produce the stastics have no idea who is sat on any given seat on an aircraft, so the 7t probably gets allocated to Qatar, even though the number of Qatari people on the flight will be very small.
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Post by bernythedolt on Sept 20, 2023 14:48:24 GMT
According to this ready-reckoner, we need in the region of 300 large mature trees (and probably 7 acres?) to offset the carbon used in jetting to the other side of the world and back. I could maybe make it to the Isle of Wight.
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Post by adrianc on Sept 20, 2023 15:13:45 GMT
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Post by bernythedolt on Sept 20, 2023 15:26:38 GMT
And the cumulative figures for shipping and for aviation each appear as an entry under the "country" heading in this table. Aviation is the entry immediately below Canada. second entry down.
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Post by pikestaff on Sept 20, 2023 17:34:27 GMT
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Post by agent69 on Sept 20, 2023 18:33:49 GMT
Remind me of the Al Gore interview - Inconvenient Truth
The electricity used just to heat Gore's swimming pool would power six homes for a year. But don't worry, because if you pay $432 a month the problem goes away.
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Post by crabbyoldgit on Sept 21, 2023 6:21:49 GMT
Most house gardens could of course offset a trip to the isle of wright, provided they went by peddle bike and cannoe .
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Post by keitha on Sept 25, 2023 22:07:13 GMT
Most house gardens could of course offset a trip to the isle of wright, provided they went by peddle bike and cannoe . or even pedal cycle and canoe
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