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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 12, 2023 19:18:42 GMT
Thought I'd plagiarise the title from another thread. Prompted by the latest instalment of "Party with a greater than 80 seat majority couldn't organise a p**s up in a brewery (but can organise many in 10 Downing Street)"
Can't even be bothered to break out the popcorn.
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Post by ilmoro on Dec 12, 2023 20:28:09 GMT
I would have gone for the popcorn ... BBC getting very excited about the Rwanda vote ... which govt promptly won by a decent majority
Meanwhile in France ... Macron not so lucky
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Post by keitha on Dec 12, 2023 22:29:41 GMT
I would have gone for the popcorn ... BBC getting very excited about the Rwanda vote ... which govt promptly won by a decent majority Meanwhile in France ... Macron not so lucky hells bells that's like the right wing of the Tories and the momentum side of Labour voting together
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Post by captainconfident on Dec 12, 2023 23:54:12 GMT
It really sums up the state of the UK when a government with collapse at every level of public service, the funds for any future restoration of such blown away on a token tax cut, and their entire concentration is on exporting some 200 unfortunates per year on an aeroplane at the cost so far of £240m
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Post by adrianc on Dec 13, 2023 9:35:22 GMT
BBC getting very excited about the Rwanda vote ... which govt promptly won by a decent majority The whips clearly did some heavy-duty leaning. There were two close votes last night. votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1691 - 313 for (308 con, 5 ex-con indie), 270 against, abstentions (inc 37 con, 3 ex-con indie, 1 ex-con reform) votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1690 - 269 against, 336 against (330 con, 5 ex-con indie, 1 ex-con reform), abstentions (inc 15 con, 3 ex-con indie) They were so rattled they even flew the climate minister back from Dubai just for the vote... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-67694420
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Post by agent69 on Dec 13, 2023 9:39:41 GMT
BBC getting very excited about the Rwanda vote ... which govt promptly won by a decent majority There were two close votes last night. votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1691 - 313 for (308 con, 5 ex-con indie), 270 against, abstentions (inc 37 con, 3 ex-con indie, 1 ex-con reform) votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1690 - 269 against, 336 against (330 con, 5 ex-con indie, 1 ex-con reform), abstentions (inc 15 con, 3 ex-con indie) They were so rattled they even flew the climate minister back from Dubai just for the vote... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-67694420I thought that was their job
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Post by iRobot on Dec 13, 2023 9:48:23 GMT
The whips clearly did some heavy-duty leaning. I thought that was their job Refreshing to see that someone in a parliamentary position is actually capable of doing their job...
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Post by adrianc on Dec 13, 2023 10:07:23 GMT
I thought that was their job Refreshing to see that someone in a parliamentary position is actually capable of doing their job... Situation normal - "for the good of the party" vs "for the good of the country"
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Post by mogish on Dec 20, 2023 16:43:00 GMT
Scottish government certainly arent.
How to encourage idleness , discourage hard work and blame everyone but their own incompetence.
Shame, yesterdays budget sums it up.
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Post by keitha on Dec 20, 2023 19:11:03 GMT
Scottish government certainly arent. How to encourage idleness , discourage hard work and blame everyone but their own incompetence. Shame, yesterdays budget sums it up. Welsh Govt Announcement wasn't much better, but at least they didn't change tax rates. the hefty reduction in Business rate support will hurt the Welsh economy A businessperson thinking of setting up near the border will be pushed towards England
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Post by adrianc on Dec 21, 2023 8:52:54 GMT
Scottish government certainly arent. How to encourage idleness , discourage hard work and blame everyone but their own incompetence. Shame, yesterdays budget sums it up. I'd FAR rather higher-earners paid a little more tax and we got better public services. Tax is the price you pay for living in a civilised society. I'm really not sure the Scottish rate change is the end of the world.
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| | Starter | £12,571* - £14,732 | 19%
| £12,571* - £14,876 | 19% | £12,571* - £50,270
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| | Basic | £14,733 - £25,688 | 20% | £14,877 - £26,561 | 20% | n/a | n/a | | Intermediate | £25,689 - £43,662 | 21% | £26,562 - £43,662
| 21% | n/a | n/a | | Higher | £43,663 - £125,140** | 42% | £43,663 - £75,000 | 42% | £50,271 - £125,139 | 40% | | Advanced | n/a | n/a | £75,001 - £125,140** | 45% | n/a | n/a | | Row 7 column 1 | Above £125,140 | 47% | Above £125,140 | 47% | Above £125,140 | 45% |
* - assumes full personal allowance ** - personal allowance reduced by £1 for every £2 earned above £100k 154k Scots, the top 5%, will pay a max of £1,881 more via the new Advanced rate. 51% of Scottish tax payers pay less than elsewhere in the UK.
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Post by agent69 on Dec 21, 2023 9:17:44 GMT
I'd FAR rather higher-earners paid a little more tax and we got better public services. I thought the amount of money raised by raising the top level of income tax was a trivial amount compared to overall spending. Far better to make the black holes in society (like the NHS, benefits system) more efficient.
I was in Hillingdon A & E department a few weeks ago at around 6pm. There were 2 men there who had been arrested and were each accompanied by 3 police officers. Neither were causing any trouble, yet the 3 officers had to sit with them for 5 hours while they chugged their way through the system being checked out by medical staff (before being taken down the station for questioning). And people ask why there are no bobbies on the beat!
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Post by keitha on Dec 21, 2023 10:41:47 GMT
Scottish government certainly arent. How to encourage idleness , discourage hard work and blame everyone but their own incompetence. Shame, yesterdays budget sums it up. I'd FAR rather higher-earners paid a little more tax and we got better public services. Tax is the price you pay for living in a civilised society. I'm really not sure the Scottish rate change is the end of the world.
| Scotland 2023 |
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| | Starter | £12,571* - £14,732 | 19%
| £12,571* - £14,876 | 19% | £12,571* - £50,270
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| | Basic | £14,733 - £25,688 | 20% | £14,877 - £26,561 | 20% | n/a | n/a | | Intermediate | £25,689 - £43,662 | 21% | £26,562 - £43,662
| 21% | n/a | n/a | | Higher | £43,663 - £125,140** | 42% | £43,663 - £75,000 | 42% | £50,271 - £125,139 | 40% | | Advanced | n/a | n/a | £75,001 - £125,140** | 45% | n/a | n/a | | Row 7 column 1 | Above £125,140 | 47% | Above £125,140 | 47% | Above £125,140 | 45% |
* - assumes full personal allowance ** - personal allowance reduced by £1 for every £2 earned above £100k 154k Scots, the top 5%, will pay a max of £1,881 more via the new Advanced rate. 51% of Scottish tax payers pay less than elsewhere in the UK. my rough maths says they pay 1P less on circa £2200 on starter rate and 1P more on intermediate, so anyone on > £28,000 a year will pay more in Scotland, I have a fairly small pension of £23K which in 15 months will get the state pension added at £12,000 so I would be worse off in Scotland, and by no means would I see myself having a large income.
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Post by mogish on Dec 21, 2023 15:37:19 GMT
I'd FAR rather higher-earners paid a little more tax and we got better public services. I thought the amount of money raised by raising the top level of income tax was a trivial amount compared to overall spending. Far better to make the black holes in society (like the NHS, benefits system) more efficient.
I was in Hillingdon A & E department a few weeks ago at around 6pm. There were 2 men there who had been arrested and were each accompanied by 3 police officers. Neither were causing any trouble, yet the 3 officers had to sit with them for 5 hours while they chugged their way through the system being checked out by medical staff (before being taken down the station for questioning). And people ask why there are no bobbies on the beat!
Spot on. Waste less tax less. Encourage business investment. Promote growth. Get folk back into work.ise what we have more efficiently Cant be that hard its seems basic economics to me.
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Post by keitha on Dec 23, 2023 12:58:26 GMT
Exactly, get rid of overheads and dead wood
Wales as an example has 22 county Boroughs and unitary authorities just over 3 million residents
that's 1 authority per 150,000 people
England has 333 of which 180 are second tier so 150 and 55 million residents so England is 1 per 300,000 residents
my own Authority has 69000 residents and 30,000 households and 33 councillors each on a minimum £17,600 $580,000 or nearly £20 a year per household in Councillors salaries, then you have chief execs and other senior staff on in excess of £100,000 a year
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