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Post by iRobot on Mar 29, 2024 14:37:38 GMT
also why can't customers choose water supplier like gas and electric That would be ideal but how would it work? Who would own and maintain the pipes and why would they have an incentive to fix them for the long term if they were not selling water down them. Or would do what seems to be happening in my area and have the roads dug up multiple times for multiples copies of pipes/cables ? If you did that, you'd also hav more infrastructure in total to maintain so we'd look forward to the road being dug up even more. All that aside from the fact that having 5 pipes all capable of delivering water to the house seems daft. Wouldn't the same question have been asked (and answered) for Gas? eg: 'Who would own and maintain the gas main and why would they have an incentive to fix them for the long term if they were not selling gas down them?' Similar too for electricity (and telephone / broadband for areas still dependent on legacy copper infrastructure / exchanges).
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Post by james100 on Mar 29, 2024 14:38:36 GMT
An incredibly stupid move on his part given point in the election cycle (and very recent Diane Abbott controversy). Makes me think it must be tied to promise of additional £££ to boost election prospects - nothing else makes sense to me. This stuff always reminds me a bit of school with some people who really, really cared about getting a Prefect badge - hilarious. Edit: I do acknowledge it's also sad for those who legitimately deserve (and have already received) similar accolades / public recognition. Diane Abbott or Angela Rayner Diane Abbott (I meant). On the Angela Rayner thing I'm not sure I really understand the issue...whether it's who she sold to (restrictions within 10y of purchase), CGT (sold when the PPR extension had reduced from 36m to 18m IIRC but very little, if anything, at stake there), false declarations to HMRC and electoral roll, or the raw irony of her embracing and profiting from Thatcher's flagship policy which privatised state assets at the expense of the poor. Just my humble opinion: a policy of Right To Buy accommodation (which has been specifically set aside for the most financially vulnerable in society and not replenished) at a market discount then sell at market rate in the future is nuts. Gaining access to state subsidised housing on eligibility criteria that's not reassessed when it no longer applicable is also nuts. There is a massive shortage of state accommodation for people who are genuinely in need today - a large part of that is attributable to lack of stock replenishment after Right to Buy (under multiple governments). Even many dual-income professionals can't afford to buy a property; it's by no means universally accessible or an automatic right. But the vulnerable in genuine need should be able to rely on a state-based safety net of accommodation until they no longer need it. And they simply can't. Not just a Tory thing either; this has been going on for decades...and anyone milking this to the tune of £50K whilst positioning themselves as champion of the vulnerable smacks of champagne socialism at its finest.
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Post by iRobot on Mar 29, 2024 14:43:40 GMT
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Post by james100 on Mar 29, 2024 14:55:39 GMT
An incredibly stupid move on his part given point in the election cycle (and very recent Diane Abbott controversy). Makes me think it must be tied to promise of additional £££ to boost election prospects - nothing else makes sense to me. This stuff always reminds me a bit of school with some people who really, really cared about getting a Prefect badge - hilarious. Edit: I do acknowledge it's also sad for those who legitimately deserve (and have already received) similar accolades / public recognition. talking of debasing the honours system. I see that Jeffrey Donaldson ( leader of the DUP) has been charged with historical sex offences. Of course I should have said Sir Jeffrey Donaldson, since he was knighted in 2016 for services to politics. Which given when he was in the UUP he was a long standing opponent of the Good Friday Agreement, and of the leadership of David Trimble, itself would seem a travesty. Regardless of current charges. Perhaps the knighthood was for political services rather than services to politics me thinks. It's like there are 3 subclasses of these 'honourable' people: 1) the ones who obtained their honour through questionable means; 2) the ones who obtained their honour legitimately then used that status as a smokescreen for exploitation; 3) the ones that obtained their honour legitimately and no further story. If I had to put % against each of those I don't think it would look great. Also, tricky to do given the overlap between a) and b)
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Mar 29, 2024 15:46:43 GMT
That would be ideal but how would it work? Who would own and maintain the pipes and why would they have an incentive to fix them for the long term if they were not selling water down them. Or would do what seems to be happening in my area and have the roads dug up multiple times for multiples copies of pipes/cables ? If you did that, you'd also hav more infrastructure in total to maintain so we'd look forward to the road being dug up even more. All that aside from the fact that having 5 pipes all capable of delivering water to the house seems daft. Wouldn't the same question have been asked (and answered) for Gas? eg: 'Who would own and maintain the gas main and why would they have an incentive to fix them for the long term if they were not selling gas down them?' Similar too for electricity (and telephone / broadband for areas still dependent on legacy copper infrastructure / exchanges). I would have thought water supply is very different from gas and electricity. Given neither of those create a waste product that needs disposal. The average water bill has various components including a rainwater disposal charge. I would suggest it would be far to complex to get competitive markets in any given region.
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 29, 2024 16:14:45 GMT
also why can't customers choose water supplier like gas and electric That would be ideal but how would it work? Who would own and maintain the pipes and why would they have an incentive to fix them for the long term if they were not selling water down them..... that is a model which has decades of being proven for electricity and gas. The network of pipes that deliver gas to your door are not owned by the company that you contract with to supply your gas. You don't get new pipes when you change supplier. Likewise your electricity and the grid. It's the regulation framework that provides the incentive - both carrot and stick - to maintain and improve the delivery infrastructure. In fact you don't even get new original source generation when you switch, not directly anyway. What you get is a new billing agent, and you effect a microscopic change in the balance of bidding and purchasing for gas/electric supply from the generators by the utility companies, and how that is contracted. A model of separation of infrastructure from contracted supplier also worked for a long time with telephony and internet as well: in that case with a (privatised) BT being required to grant access to its network to its (private) competitors, at rates agreed by the regulator. The fact that the power utility privatisation model was not followed for water makes me think there are intrinsic reasons why that separation is or considered to be less effective/workable in the water industry. Or someone got a bit lazy EDIT: 95% written but not posted before iRobot posted some similar comments.
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Post by keitha on Mar 29, 2024 16:25:46 GMT
WE have 1 cable for electric and 1 for gas so it's similar
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Post by keitha on Mar 29, 2024 16:38:31 GMT
Diane Abbott or Angela Rayner Diane Abbott (I meant). On the Angela Rayner thing I'm not sure I really understand the issue...whether it's who she sold to (restrictions within 10y of purchase), CGT (sold when the PPR extension had reduced from 36m to 18m IIRC but very little, if anything, at stake there), false declarations to HMRC and electoral roll, or the raw irony of her embracing and profiting from Thatcher's flagship policy which privatised state assets at the expense of the poor. Just my humble opinion: a policy of Right To Buy accommodation (which has been specifically set aside for the most financially vulnerable in society and not replenished) at a market discount then sell at market rate in the future is nuts. Gaining access to state subsidised housing on eligibility criteria that's not reassessed when it no longer applicable is also nuts. There is a massive shortage of state accommodation for people who are genuinely in need today - a large part of that is attributable to lack of stock replenishment after Right to Buy (under multiple governments). Even many dual-income professionals can't afford to buy a property; it's by no means universally accessible or an automatic right. But the vulnerable in genuine need should be able to rely on a state-based safety net of accommodation until they no longer need it. And they simply can't. Not just a Tory thing either; this has been going on for decades...and anyone milking this to the tune of £50K whilst positioning themselves as champion of the vulnerable smacks of champagne socialism at its finest. I also find an issue with many, and I could show you some in my area where you have a single pensioner still living in a 3 or 4 bed council house and refusing to move, but this was always the case. The Woman who lived next to my parents had a 4 bed, 2 bathroom house and lived alone, we were 5 and living in a 3 bedroomed 1 bathroom house, but the council couldn't get her to move even when they offered to fit carpets of her choice and decorate it for her if she would move to a 2 bed house or a bungalow. there is a block of Council Flats down from me, last year the council fitted solar panels, the residents now get free electric when the system is generating, but they have asked for a rent reduction as they found out the council made £3,000 on export last year. the 2 bed flats are £450 a month currently and that includes heating as the council put in a big heat pump. for me that's greedy the council paid for the system they are giving free electric when it's available and a system with 60 odd panels wouldn't be cheap
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Post by agent69 on Mar 29, 2024 19:56:28 GMT
Diane Abbott or Angela Rayner Diane Abbott (I meant). On the Angela Rayner thing I'm not sure I really understand the issue... I thought the issue was that she claimed that a house she owned was her main residence (exempt from CGT when sold?), when in reality she lived in a house down the road owned by her new husband. She claims that expert legal advice on the sale of 'her' house had confirmed no wrong doing, but is refusing to publish that advice.
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 29, 2024 21:03:32 GMT
Diane Abbott (I meant). On the Angela Rayner thing I'm not sure I really understand the issue... I thought the issue was that she claimed that a house she owned was her main residence (exempt from CGT when sold?), when in reality she lived in a house down the road owned by her new husband. She claims that expert legal advice on the sale of 'her' house had confirmed no wrong doing, but is refusing to publish that advice. There is also the question of where she was register to vote & if that was at her main residence which may be a breach of electoral law and added to that now is whether a single person reduction in council tax was claimed when her brother was lodging there when it was her main residence. Its quite a tangled mess.
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 30, 2024 8:11:42 GMT
Diane Abbott (I meant). On the Angela Rayner thing I'm not sure I really understand the issue... I thought the issue was that she claimed that a house she owned was her main residence (exempt from CGT when sold?), when in reality she lived in a house down the road owned by her new husband. She claims that expert legal advice on the sale of 'her' house had confirmed no wrong doing, but is refusing to publish that advice. legal advice which absolutely would have been predicated on whatever information the advisor was actually given......which kind of renders the statement a bit pointless. Or indeed even hole digging in nature. As someone else has said, it has managed to snowball from what seemed like a manufactured storm in a teacup, about a likely innocent mistake, to what is increasingly looking like a frothing cauldron of deliberate false representation. On electoral and financial matters. From a presumptive Chancellor of the Exchequer. My guess is she is going to end up going if the greater matters turn out to be correct. And Starmer is going to lose (more?) credibility because he has backed her to the hilt after saying his team had fully investigated (or similar). Still, the landscape has been reshaped by a never ending eruption of Tory MPs being suspended from Parliament and facing recall votes for various scandals, and the showering of cronies and donors with honours, all mostly related to brown envelopes, in the big scheme of things its likely to end up being a pimple on the a**e of an elephant.
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Post by agent69 on Mar 30, 2024 10:02:01 GMT
I thought the issue was that she claimed that a house she owned was her main residence (exempt from CGT when sold?), when in reality she lived in a house down the road owned by her new husband. She claims that expert legal advice on the sale of 'her' house had confirmed no wrong doing, but is refusing to publish that advice. legal advice which absolutely would have been predicated on whatever information the advisor was actually given......which kind of renders the statement a bit pointless. Or indeed even hole digging in nature. As someone else has said, it has managed to snowball from what seemed like a manufactured storm in a teacup, about a likely innocent mistake, to what is increasingly looking like a frothing cauldron of deliberate false representation. On electoral and financial matters. From a presumptive Chancellor of the Exchequer. My guess is she is going to end up going if the greater matters turn out to be correct. And Starmer is going to lose (more?) credibility because he has backed her to the hilt after saying his team had fully investigated (or similar). Still, the landscape has been reshaped by a never ending eruption of Tory MPs being suspended from Parliament and facing recall votes for various scandals, and the showering of cronies and donors with honours, all mostly related to brown envelopes, in the big scheme of things its likely to end up being a pimple on the a**e of an elephant. Conservative party I thought she had her elevated position in the party by virtue of Trade Union support. Can't see them being happy if their poster girl gets the boot.
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Post by keitha on Mar 30, 2024 10:55:24 GMT
I thought the issue was that she claimed that a house she owned was her main residence (exempt from CGT when sold?), when in reality she lived in a house down the road owned by her new husband. She claims that expert legal advice on the sale of 'her' house had confirmed no wrong doing, but is refusing to publish that advice. legal advice which absolutely would have been predicated on whatever information the advisor was actually given......which kind of renders the statement a bit pointless. Or indeed even hole digging in nature. As someone else has said, it has managed to snowball from what seemed like a manufactured storm in a teacup, about a likely innocent mistake, to what is increasingly looking like a frothing cauldron of deliberate false representation. On electoral and financial matters. From a presumptive Chancellor of the Exchequer. My guess is she is going to end up going if the greater matters turn out to be correct. And Starmer is going to lose (more?) credibility because he has backed her to the hilt after saying his team had fully investigated (or similar). Still, the landscape has been reshaped by a never ending eruption of Tory MPs being suspended from Parliament and facing recall votes for various scandals, and the showering of cronies and donors with honours, all mostly related to brown envelopes, in the big scheme of things its likely to end up being a pimple on the a**e of an elephant. The unions won't allow her to be demoted or admonished. Starmer tried a bit back, she ended up being promoted after pressure from the unions
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Post by keitha on Mar 30, 2024 10:57:15 GMT
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Post by james100 on Mar 30, 2024 12:32:18 GMT
I thought the issue was that she claimed that a house she owned was her main residence (exempt from CGT when sold?), when in reality she lived in a house down the road owned by her new husband. She claims that expert legal advice on the sale of 'her' house had confirmed no wrong doing, but is refusing to publish that advice. legal advice which absolutely would have been predicated on whatever information the advisor was actually given......which kind of renders the statement a bit pointless. Or indeed even hole digging in nature. As someone else has said, it has managed to snowball from what seemed like a manufactured storm in a teacup, about a likely innocent mistake, to what is increasingly looking like a frothing cauldron of deliberate false representation. On electoral and financial matters. From a presumptive Chancellor of the Exchequer. My guess is she is going to end up going if the greater matters turn out to be correct. And Starmer is going to lose (more?) credibility because he has backed her to the hilt after saying his team had fully investigated (or similar). Still, the landscape has been reshaped by a never ending eruption of Tory MPs being suspended from Parliament and facing recall votes for various scandals, and the showering of cronies and donors with honours, all mostly related to brown envelopes, in the big scheme of things its likely to end up being a pimple on the a**e of an elephant. I am sure she has no CGT to pay if she took tax advice before sale (extended ppr, cgt allowance and potential lettings allowance covered a LOT), so definitely the other stuff....a tangled mess indeed. As an aside, I understood a married couple could only have 1 main residence between them unless legally separated, but although her husband's property also purchased via Right To Buy was a mile away it seems they filed 2 main residences, with double potential tax advantages, until the Rayner property was disposed of. Did this change? At least I now understand why she got the job as Shady Sec for Levelling up & Housing and previously referred to herself as "John Prescott in a skirt". "Two RTBs" doesn't have quite the same ring to as it as "Two Jags" though!
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