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Post by benaj on Nov 22, 2024 17:06:02 GMT
okay, find a monkey to change it who charge £132 for the same job.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Nov 22, 2024 17:21:19 GMT
Sure, the leaseholders will have to pay for the cost of one handyman contracted for all leaseholders in the same estate. Say £30k added to the service charge bill plus vat. Who knows if they added a manager @ 40k just to manage the handyman Of course, the economic alternative would be £200 to change 50 light bulbs. Why only change two light bulbs at a time?49 people have to live in the dark till the 50th bulb goes out? Why couldn't they change them themselves? Or were they out of reach in a communal ceiling over the stairs or something.
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Post by overthehill on Nov 22, 2024 17:46:09 GMT
Leaseholders are not renters right? They still have to sell the property if the cladding is shot and the freeholder is a T***.
A lot of the comments are fine assuming the leaseholder didn't pay the freehold price for the property!
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Post by benaj on Nov 22, 2024 17:57:14 GMT
It depends what they have, Some flats have in recessed LED downlights in the ceiling now, and it requires quite a number of them of keep to communal area safe and bright. Say 18 m x 2 m communal hall way would easily require 12 sets of downlights. A building with 8 floors would have 96 sets of lights.
Would a typical leaseholders find the correct size downlights and know how to change it themselves without causing further damage to the communal area without risking injuring themselves?
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Post by eeyore on Nov 23, 2024 12:22:22 GMT
£132 to change 2 light bulbs is not the end of the world. A broken balcony or cladding issue taking years to fix could be even a nightmare when you try to sell the flat. Some lights are 10 feet high, can anyone change it? How about a lift? Which could break down 20 times a year even it is maintained by Schindler. yeah, but you STILL don't need an electrician to change it (per some other comment)  Hmm, that's not necessarily true - in the commercial office world with banks of fluorescent lighting tubes built into a suspended ceiling over open-plan offices, it's entirely possible that the lighting will be split across the three phases on the same floor - that's a lethal 440volts between conductor cables above the ceiling. Now I know my way around the IEE Wiring Regulations (15th Edition) and I wouldn't consider it - it needs a trained electrian with the kit to lock-out the supply whilst work is undertaken. Then there are the specialist lighting units for continously-illuminated communal areas using, say, mercury discharge lamps - you wouldn't get much change from £132 for a couple of those "bulbs".
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 23, 2024 13:31:25 GMT
yeah, but you STILL don't need an electrician to change it (per some other comment) Hmm, that's not necessarily true - in the commercial office world with banks of fluorescent lighting tubes built into a suspended ceiling over open-plan offices, it's entirely possible that the lighting will be split across the three phases on the same floor - that's a lethal 440volts between conductor cables above the ceiling. Now I know my way around the IEE Wiring Regulations (15th Edition) and I wouldn't consider it - it needs a trained electrian with the kit to lock-out the supply whilst work is undertaken. Then there are the specialist lighting units for continously-illuminated communal areas using, say, mercury discharge lamps - you wouldn't get much change from £132 for a couple of those "bulbs". sure, understood. But my understanding of the context here was that it was a residential leaseholder property. And I didn't get the sense that it was even an apartment "block" as such.
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Post by keitha on Nov 25, 2024 12:15:22 GMT
but this is a one sided story...
I have a friend who has a couple of houses he lets, he had a phone call one night from a tenant demanding he send someone to change 1 bulb ( in a fitting with 5 bulbs ) at 11:30pm, he told them where the spare bulbs were and was told "we pay rent which include maintenance, we don't expect to change bulbs ". He told the tenant that he'd send someone the next day, from memory by 9 am the next day the tenant had left 5-6 voicemails demanding to know where the electrician was. If tenants / leaseholders demand services at unreasonable times then they should expect to pay top dollar
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Post by benaj on Nov 25, 2024 12:29:55 GMT
It depends how the tenancy contract is created. Most AST would have stated tenants are responsible for changing the bulbs Such as “ The Tenant agrees: To replace any light bulbs, fluorescent tubes, fuses or batteries promptly and when necessary “ I don’t think leaseholders can make demands like that. Anyway, I “watched” “the leasehold trap” a bit. Shocking experiences for those “leaseholders”. www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00257dz/the-leasehold-trapIf the councils have kept up the maintenance before they bought the “leasehold”, might be been different for them. |
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Post by adrianc on Nov 25, 2024 12:32:24 GMT
but this is a one sided story... I have a friend who has a couple of houses he lets, he had a phone call one night from a tenant demanding he send someone to change 1 bulb ( in a fitting with 5 bulbs ) at 11:30pm, he told them where the spare bulbs were and was told "we pay rent which include maintenance, we don't expect to change bulbs ". He told the tenant that he'd send someone the next day, from memory by 9 am the next day the tenant had left 5-6 voicemails demanding to know where the electrician was. If tenants / leaseholders demand services at unreasonable times then they should expect to pay top dollar This isn't about tenant-vs-landlord, this is about leaseholder-vs-freeholder. Leaseholders are responsible for everything inside their flat. Freeholders are responsible for the fabric of the building and the common areas.
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Post by benaj on Nov 25, 2024 12:41:26 GMT
But if a single tenant asks the landlord to come up to change the “bulbs” around 1130pm, and it is urgent. I wonder what this is all about. 🤣
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Post by agent69 on Nov 25, 2024 13:01:42 GMT
but this is a one sided story... I have a friend who has a couple of houses he lets, he had a phone call one night from a tenant demanding he send someone to change 1 bulb ( in a fitting with 5 bulbs ) at 11:30pm, he told them where the spare bulbs were and was told "we pay rent which include maintenance, we don't expect to change bulbs ". He told the tenant that he'd send someone the next day, from memory by 9 am the next day the tenant had left 5-6 voicemails demanding to know where the electrician was. If tenants / leaseholders demand services at unreasonable times then they should expect to pay top dollar I suspect this is the exception, rather than the rule
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Post by benaj on Nov 25, 2024 13:04:16 GMT
Of course, there are so many exceptions. Has any landlord been kindly invited for “Wines and Cheese” by tenant on a regular basis?
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 25, 2024 13:21:18 GMT
but this is a one sided story... I have a friend who has a couple of houses he lets, he had a phone call one night from a tenant demanding he send someone to change 1 bulb ( in a fitting with 5 bulbs ) at 11:30pm, he told them where the spare bulbs were and was told "we pay rent which include maintenance, we don't expect to change bulbs ". He told the tenant that he'd send someone the next day, from memory by 9 am the next day the tenant had left 5-6 voicemails demanding to know where the electrician was. If tenants / leaseholders demand services at unreasonable times then they should expect to pay top dollar maybe: but its also a story about Freeholder/Leaseholder, not about owner-tenant. Which are rather different things. Regardless, I doubt that scenario happens often. I'd also have thought that it would be far more normal for it to be the tenants responsibility. And written into contract as such. Unless we are talking communal areas in a block. And even then, I'd expect most people to be
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Post by benaj on Nov 25, 2024 13:29:47 GMT
I have never met Keith’s friend, so no idea why he was so annoyed with the tenant calling so late.
I wouldn’t be annoyed when my tenant sent me Christmas presents over years, champagne, jumper, scarf, ….
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