michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Apr 16, 2024 19:52:26 GMT
Yes, I've been accused on two separate occasions as being exactly that without any hint of irony or jest. I do think people question more than you give credit for but those on this forum are more likely to trust the mainstream sources due to age. Age of what the forum? Or is this an ageist comment? I find young people really naive and seem to believe everything they read on the internet (a youthish comment?). Older people are much less trusting they've heard it all before, lies, promises, excuses (and even conspiracy theories). And I remember being young and we didn't trust/believe half of what we heard then, and would put the world to rights with friends over a few beers, nothing new. That is also an ageist comment. I don't live in Scotland so don't need to worry. What the heck has happened to free speech ?
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Post by adrianc on Apr 16, 2024 20:03:38 GMT
My neighbour's child's secondary school class is going on a school trip next month. They are flying to Morocco. I was thinking about this. If I was a Morroccan. You'd see the parties of rich tourists flying in, and plane loads of school children doing something you could never have afforded for your kids, flying in and going, oh climate change, isn't it awful. Your country's a bit hot! Lovely to see you, doubt you'll be very comfortable here in ten years time, won't be coming back and don't you try coming over to our country. Then flying off again. Try thinking of it the other way around, if Britain was the poor hot country and it was Moroccan tourists who flew in and out of Heathrow coming to look at you and your hut. Look at their quaint clothes. Will they do a dance for us? Just musing. Yes, the massive assymetry of tourism... Yet... Tourism is nearly 15% of Morocco's GDP. The Moroccans who see and deal with the tourists? The tourists are their living, and the living for all those in their supply chain. We were travelling around Tunisia (tourism a little over 5% of GDP) in 2012, the year after President Ben Ali did a runner as the Arab Spring kicked off (and before the descent into Islamism with the Port al Kantaoui and Bardo attacks). We had kids coming up to us in the street, thanking us for coming to their country. We met nothing but utter friendliness. Tourism is about 3% of UK GDP, btw.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Apr 17, 2024 6:24:43 GMT
Yes, I've been accused on two separate occasions as being exactly that without any hint of irony or jest. I do think people question more than you give credit for but those on this forum are more likely to trust the mainstream sources due to age.I don't think age is a key factor in conforming to groupthink, but if it were, I'd have expected the opposite might be true...don't people become more curious and cynical the older they become? Edit: not suggesting my fellow forumites are decrepit or sheeple, to be clear I would say there is definitely a correlation between conformism and age in the UK - less so in other countries such as France or the US which tend to value individualism more. A good example is the correlation between support for the Royal family and age - www.statista.com/statistics/863893/support-for-the-monarchy-in-britain-by-age/ . In my opinion the fact we still have a Royal family as head of state is a pretty damning indication of the subservience of the people in this country *. * - especially given the number of serious scandals they have been involved in over the decades and their general bad behaviour.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 17, 2024 7:29:16 GMT
In my opinion the fact we still have a Royal family as head of state is a pretty damning indication of the subservience of the people in this country So who, amongst the current field of potential statesmen and notable figures, would you like to see as president of a republican UK?
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Post by mogish on Apr 17, 2024 7:58:19 GMT
]I don't live in Scotland so don't need to worry. What the heck has happened to free speech ?[/quote]
The recent hate crime law will do nothing but burden police with even more with paperwork. HY has to go along with his mates and the dreadful greens.
Ignoring low level crime!!!! As to make figures look better and free up police time seems hypocritical.
Special clinics for gender issues now being g considwhilst I wait a potential 5 years for a knee op. The man has lost the plot.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 17, 2024 8:25:06 GMT
Special clinics for gender issues now being g considwhilst I wait a potential 5 years for a knee op. You do know it's not the same doctors etc, right?
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Post by angrysaveruk on Apr 17, 2024 9:19:17 GMT
In my opinion the fact we still have a Royal family as head of state is a pretty damning indication of the subservience of the people in this country So who, amongst the current field of potential statesmen and notable figures, would you like to see as president of a republican UK? I would say it should be someone who is not heavily political and widely respected by the public, have an above average IQ and cannot be blackmailed easily. I personally would like to see Sir David Frederick Attenborough or Sir Michael Caine or someone of that caliber
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Post by james100 on Apr 17, 2024 10:09:03 GMT
I don't think age is a key factor in conforming to groupthink, but if it were, I'd have expected the opposite might be true...don't people become more curious and cynical the older they become? Edit: not suggesting my fellow forumites are decrepit or sheeple, to be clear I would say there is definitely a correlation between conformism and age in the UK - less so in other countries such as France or the US which tend to value individualism more. A good example is the correlation between support for the Royal family and age - www.statista.com/statistics/863893/support-for-the-monarchy-in-britain-by-age/ . In my opinion the fact we still have a Royal family as head of state is a pretty damning indication of the subservience of the people in this country *. * - especially given the number of serious scandals they have been involved in over the decades and their general bad behaviour. Not sure that research demonstrates a link between conformism and age. I don't have a statista sub so maybe there's more detail, but general reluctance for change or nostalgia might also be factors, unless they aren't. Conducted within a year of the Queen's funeral also likely to have had impact. Did the same 65+ yo sample feel differently when younger or are their views 'of that time'? No idea, although I've never been a fan myself (loved the Queen though). I think personality typing is more relevant than age for tendency to individualism v conformity/collectivism , but agree there are definitely cultural issues in play as well. It reminds me a bit of Hofstede's work (widely cited pioneer of cultural mapping since 80's). Using his slightly simplistic 6-dimension system, here's a map of relative data scores from France, Russia, UK and US; you can click each dimension below the chart for commentary: www.hofstede-insights.com/country-comparison-tool?countries=france%2Crussia%2Cunited+kingdom%2Cunited+states Very interesting with respect to political landscapes and conflict situations too.
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 17, 2024 11:21:02 GMT
So who, amongst the current field of potential statesmen and notable figures, would you like to see as president of a republican UK? I would say it should be someone who is not heavily political and widely respected by the public, have an above average IQ and cannot be blackmailed easily. I personally would like to see Sir David Frederick Attenborough or Sir Michael Caine or someone of that caliber You must like elections (or are you just appointing?) ... anyone who isn't 90 or nearly 100? Attenborough is political as far as climate change goes. Big job ... who's going to share the workload ... do Queen, Anne, Willy, Eddie & Sophie's bits.
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Post by michaelc on Apr 17, 2024 11:32:22 GMT
Special clinics for gender issues now being g considwhilst I wait a potential 5 years for a knee op. You do know it's not the same doctors etc, right? It comes from the same pot of money - the NHS.
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Post by registerme on Apr 17, 2024 12:18:49 GMT
You do know it's not the same doctors etc, right? It comes from the same pot of money - the NHS. I don't think that's quite right. Isn't health a devolved matter, as are Scottish government spending decisions? If I'm right then it's not the national NHS budget, or the same pot of money. If you live in Scotland that may be relevant to what you think Scottish spending priorities should be. If you live anywhere else in the UK it's irrelevant.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Apr 17, 2024 14:20:28 GMT
I would say it should be someone who is not heavily political and widely respected by the public, have an above average IQ and cannot be blackmailed easily. I personally would like to see Sir David Frederick Attenborough or Sir Michael Caine or someone of that caliber You must like elections (or are you just appointing?) ... anyone who isn't 90 or nearly 100? Attenborough is political as far as climate change goes. Big job ... who's going to share the workload ... do Queen, Anne, Willy, Eddie & Sophie's bits.
Those were just examples, I am not appointing people I was just giving examples of people who in my opinion have the stature and qualities to be head of state. As for the various "workloads" there are alot of out of the lime light A list celebs* who could do that sort of thing and would not be a threat to national security like Prince Andrew and his uncle Lord Mountbatten.
* - such as Dame Esther Rantzen and Sir Trevor McDonald
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Post by rscal on Apr 17, 2024 15:04:19 GMT
You must like elections (or are you just appointing?) ... anyone who isn't 90 or nearly 100? Attenborough is political as far as climate change goes. Big job ... who's going to share the workload ... do Queen, Anne, Willy, Eddie & Sophie's bits.
Those were just examples, I am not appointing people I was just giving examples of people who in my opinion have the stature and qualities to be head of state. As for the various "workloads" there are alot of out of the lime light A list celebs* who could do that sort of thing and would not be a threat to national security like Prince Andrew and his uncle Lord Mountbatten.
* - such as Dame Esther Rantzen and Sir Trevor McDonald
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Post by adrianc on Apr 17, 2024 15:12:44 GMT
So who, amongst the current field of potential statesmen and notable figures, would you like to see as president of a republican UK? I would say it should be someone who is not heavily political and widely respected by the public, have an above average IQ and cannot be blackmailed easily. I personally would like to see Sir David Frederick Attenborough or Sir Michael Caine or someone of that caliber David Attenborough - 97yo Michael Caine - 91yo Next? Esther Rantzen - 83yo (also has terminal cancer) Trevor McDonald - 84yo
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Post by registerme on Apr 17, 2024 15:17:58 GMT
Esther Rantzen - 83yo (also has terminal cancer) Also wants to go to Dignitas. I do agree with angrysaveruk though, any one of the list would have made a better PM than any of the lot we've had since 2010.
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