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Post by michaelc on Jul 19, 2024 12:35:31 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced3z8kx9eqofor me the coach driver is well out of order but 7 teachers is a ratio of about 6-1 they should be keeping the kids in order and stopping them getting up and making sure they have seatbelts on Why do kids ( and adults ) these days think its ok to make everything messy, I spoke to someone recently who was on a flight that had previously taken a load of kids on a school trip and their flight back was delayed because the plane was such a mess that it took far longer than normal to clean. 16 is minimum age to smoke and 18 to buy, again why did the teachers not pull the kids up "Teachers asked the driver to moderate his language" how about the teachers getting the kids to behave I think I agree with you. The driver clearly "lost it" but if there were 7 teachers in the coach what were they doing? Obviously not ensuring any kind if discipline. With the benefit of hindsight, perhaps the coach driver could simply refuse to drive until the kids did what they needed to. On the other hand, what he did was sort of pragmatic and probably better for the kids and parents as he presumably drove them home to school without delay. The teachers messed up here and probably not just on that day but on every day for years of insufficient discipline in school leading up to it.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jul 19, 2024 12:52:41 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced3z8kx9eqofor me the coach driver is well out of order but 7 teachers is a ratio of about 6-1 they should be keeping the kids in order and stopping them getting up and making sure they have seatbelts on Why do kids ( and adults ) these days think its ok to make everything messy, I spoke to someone recently who was on a flight that had previously taken a load of kids on a school trip and their flight back was delayed because the plane was such a mess that it took far longer than normal to clean. 16 is minimum age to smoke and 18 to buy, again why did the teachers not pull the kids up "Teachers asked the driver to moderate his language" how about the teachers getting the kids to behave Yes the driver is completely out of order and its completely inappropriate. I note however that: - The school is for 11-17 y/os, and "the students appeared to be from one of the more senior years of the school." - Smoking age is largely immaterial: it is illegal to smoke in the vehicle and would certainly also have been against the company's rules. - Given the "more senior years" commentary, and their behaviour, it is quite likely they were using some pretty awful language themselves and probably directed at him when challenged* - WTAxx were the teachers doing ? Its not the coach driver's first responsibility to keep the students in order. - Can't help but feel that the poor sod may have had one of those total breaking point moments. While nothing excuses the language or the threats, you could certainly see it happening with a bunch of ferals that are nominally being overseen by adults that are singularly failing to do their job. *I was in town the other early evening, 4 adults and one girl of late primary school age. Group of kids of probably 14-15 age walking directly behind us swearing with no boundaries including frequent use of the "C" word. Felt quite threatening. And when we asked them to cease and desist, they got right old threatening.
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Post by keitha on Jul 19, 2024 13:36:15 GMT
and another www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6p2ll3vpp3osteals £4,000 of electricity from neighbours over 3 years At that time electricity was about 14p a unit so we are talking 10,000 units a year ! ( 3 times average usage but maybe he had an EV or Heat pump / electric heating ) he gets given 8 years to repay err he took it in 3 years, a lump sum or 1-2 years to repay would be better, He's an electrician so hardly hard up |
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Post by michaelc on Jul 19, 2024 14:21:54 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced3z8kx9eqofor me the coach driver is well out of order but 7 teachers is a ratio of about 6-1 they should be keeping the kids in order and stopping them getting up and making sure they have seatbelts on Why do kids ( and adults ) these days think its ok to make everything messy, I spoke to someone recently who was on a flight that had previously taken a load of kids on a school trip and their flight back was delayed because the plane was such a mess that it took far longer than normal to clean. 16 is minimum age to smoke and 18 to buy, again why did the teachers not pull the kids up "Teachers asked the driver to moderate his language" how about the teachers getting the kids to behave Yes the driver is completely out of order and its completely inappropriate. I note however that: - The school is for 11-17 y/os, and "the students appeared to be from one of the more senior years of the school." - Smoking age is largely immaterial: it is illegal to smoke in the vehicle and would certainly also have been against the company's rules. - Given the "more senior years" commentary, and their behaviour, it is quite likely they were using some pretty awful language themselves and probably directed at him when challenged* - WTAxx were the teachers doing ? Its not the coach driver's first responsibility to keep the students in order. - Can't help but feel that the poor sod may have had one of those total breaking point moments. While nothing excuses the language or the threats, you could certainly see it happening with a bunch of ferals that are nominally being overseen by adults that are singularly failing to do their job. *I was in town the other early evening, 4 adults and one girl of late primary school age. Group of kids of probably 14-15 age walking directly behind us swearing with no boundaries including frequent use of the "C" word. Felt quite threatening. And when we asked them to cease and desist, they got right old threatening. I hope you didn't use those exact words "....Could you cease and desist young man...." Were they swearing _at_ you and your group? For me that is key - I would definitely ignore if it was just effing and blinding as we all did in our teens.
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Post by keitha on Jul 19, 2024 15:08:10 GMT
I may be an older generation (65) but swearing was never acceptable behaviour.
My late first boss would've had a fit if I'd sworn in the office
but effin and jeffin seems to be the norm these days I see young school age kids swearing at their parents ( talking pre senior school ) heard one the other week call hits mother an "effing fat Bitch" If I'd used that sort of language in my mothers hearing even when she was in her 80's I'd have got the death stare.
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Post by michaelc on Jul 19, 2024 15:52:47 GMT
Yeah everything was so much better in my day......  But actually I think it still isn't acceptable in most circumstances - being in a social situation with peers likely isn't one. Going to the dentist and suggesting the dentist "...has a good effin look at that C of a tooth at the back..." might not be a good idea. |
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Post by captainconfident on Jul 19, 2024 16:18:09 GMT
I may be an older generation (65) but swearing was never acceptable behaviour. My late first boss would've had a fit if I'd sworn in the office but effin and jeffin seems to be the norm these days I see young school age kids swearing at their parents ( talking pre senior school ) heard one the other week call hits mother an "effing fat Bitch" If I'd used that sort of language in my mothers hearing even when she was in her 80's I'd have got the death stare. I worked in Northern Ireland for a while in the 1980s and I was surprised that my NI colleagues seemed to use the f word in every sentence, with the C being anyone else they didn't know. "The F'ing pub closed and all the other C's F'ed off so I went hone and fed the F'ing cat". It wasn't long until I started doing exactly the same.
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Post by benaj on Jul 20, 2024 17:32:40 GMT
Microsoft says about 8.5 million Windows devices were affected by the glitch
Who is going to pay for cleaning the mess? Crowdstrike, Microsoft, or the customers of Cloudstrike? It takes lot of human resources to clean up this kind of mess.
If every machine takes 3 mintues to fix, that’s 425,000 hours with just one technician. With 3500 technicians, it still take 5/6 days assuming they work non-stop round the clock with no remote fix.
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Post by keitha on Jul 20, 2024 19:19:03 GMT
Given it will be difficult to do this remotely could be a lit longer
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Post by adrianc on Jul 21, 2024 7:26:32 GMT
Microsoft says about 8.5 million Windows devices were affected by the glitch Who is going to pay for cleaning the mess? Crowdstrike, Microsoft, or the customers of Cloudstrike? It takes lot of human resources to clean up this kind of mess. If every machine takes 3 mintues to fix, that’s 425,000 hours with just one technician. With 3500 technicians, it still take 5/6 days assuming they work non-stop round the clock with no remote fix Yeh... You're not going to have just 3,500 people resolving 8.5m machines globally... Many of those machines will be desktops, geographically dispersed - and therein lies the issue. Servers with remote lights-out monitoring can be done from a central console. Desktops will need an in-person visit. The fix is to reboot into safe mode, manually delete a couple of files, and reboot. It's something any half-competent trusted local power-user can do with the appropriate creds.
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Post by benaj on Jul 21, 2024 7:47:33 GMT
So basically, Cloudstrike customers hasn’t been briefed the risk of any boot disaster like this scale and no one else has thought of any contingency plan for disaster like this.
This is only 1% of windows machines affected. How would we live with 80% of windows machines down at the same time?
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Post by adrianc on Jul 21, 2024 8:56:15 GMT
So basically, Cloudstrike customers hasn’t been briefed the risk of any boot disaster like this scale and no one else has thought of any contingency plan for disaster like this. This is only 1% of windows machines affected. How would we live with 80% of windows machines down at the same time? It's a very different situation if there's a widespread Windows-internal issue, rather than an interaction between third-party and Windows. This ONLY affects a subset of large corporates. If the workstation fix was any more involved than the safeboot-delete-reboot, they'd just re-image those desktops back to a clean image. Takes minutes per machine. Obvs, widespread consumer issues would have much more impact, especially data loss, but each of those wouldn't have the knock-on impact to trade.
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Post by spiral on Jul 21, 2024 8:57:55 GMT
The fix is to reboot into safe mode I find it impossible to get into safe mode these days unless I'm already within Windows. The old OS's used to have a menu option you could break into and select safe mode whilst booting. Currently 3 failed boot attempts brings up a recovery option but from memory, safe mode is not an option there.
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Post by benaj on Jul 21, 2024 9:36:26 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Jul 21, 2024 13:26:11 GMT
Open it up, and there'll be full access internally. But the quality of journalism there is summed up in the caption to this pic... "People said they were confronted with the "blue screen of death"" <sigh>
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