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Post by michaelc on Sept 16, 2024 13:13:05 GMT
Huw Edwards walking free today.
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Post by registerme on Sept 16, 2024 13:15:47 GMT
Huw Edwards walking free today. Agreed. Six months suspended. ?
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Post by adrianc on Sept 16, 2024 13:20:46 GMT
Huw Edwards walking free today. Agreed. Six months suspended. ? They went into the sentencing in some depth on R4 WATO. Absolutely in line with sentencing guidelines... No special treatment given.
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Post by benaj on Sept 16, 2024 13:34:18 GMT
“making” indecent image / videos.
It sounds like if we have been spammed, we could be “prosecuted” as well.
Also, the seller of the videos, Mr Williams got a suspended sentence as well when the BBC guy said he didn’t want anything “illegal” if he’s telling the “truth”
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 16, 2024 13:52:48 GMT
Huw Edwards walking free today. Agreed. Six months suspended. ? I think we need to keep in mind the details of the offence. From what I've read, it was something like "only" 40-45 (I recall the number 41 but I might have that wrong) images in total. That weren't passed on, and I think weren't even saved, (other than how they might have been locally saved by WhatsApp. In think typically these cases involve many hundreds or indeed thousands of images. It also seems to be the case that this happened in a specific single period, and is known as a matter of fact that he was having a fairly heavy mental breakdown at that time. None of which is to excuse, but I just think that if one is going to start bemoaning that his sentence is too light, it does need to be looked at in the context of other prior cases. And I'm not saying how the sentence does actually compare as I haven't done any resuuuuuurch into it.
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Post by michaelc on Sept 16, 2024 13:57:41 GMT
Agreed. Six months suspended. ? I think we need to keep in mind the details of the offence. From what I've read, it was something like "only" 40-45 (I recall the number 41 but I might have that wrong) images in total. That weren't passed on, and I think weren't even saved, (other than how they might have been locally saved by WhatsApp. In think typically these cases involve many hundreds or indeed thousands of images. It also seems to be the case that this happened in a specific single period, and is known as a matter of fact that he was having a fairly heavy mental breakdown at that time. None of which is to excuse, but I just think that if one is going to start bemoaning that his sentence is too light, it does need to be looked at in the context of other prior cases. And I'm not saying how the sentence does actually compare as I haven't done any resuuuuuurch into it. What difference does it make? One was of a 7-9 year old being abused. Why does he want this??? What does it matter if he has 1 or 10 such images?
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 16, 2024 14:00:28 GMT
“making” indecent image / videos. It sounds like if we have been spammed, we could be “prosecuted” as well. Also, the seller of the videos, Mr Williams got a suspended sentence as well when the BBC guy said he didn’t want anything “illegal” if he’s telling the “truth” Yes, this particular law is a minefield. I recall the case of the senior female police officer (Met?) who received a handful (2? 3?) child sexual exploitation images from her sister (?). She was sent them IIRC because the sister suggested she should be looking into it. I don't think she even opened the pictures. I think in the end no criminal charges were brought but she was being booted out the force (or similar) for the act of having received them. Needless to say the whole thing ended up a mess with tribunals and stuff (but don't recall the final outcome).
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 16, 2024 14:07:32 GMT
I think we need to keep in mind the details of the offence. From what I've read, it was something like "only" 40-45 (I recall the number 41 but I might have that wrong) images in total. That weren't passed on, and I think weren't even saved, (other than how they might have been locally saved by WhatsApp. In think typically these cases involve many hundreds or indeed thousands of images. It also seems to be the case that this happened in a specific single period, and is known as a matter of fact that he was having a fairly heavy mental breakdown at that time. None of which is to excuse, but I just think that if one is going to start bemoaning that his sentence is too light, it does need to be looked at in the context of other prior cases. And I'm not saying how the sentence does actually compare as I haven't done any resuuuuuurch into it. What difference does it make? One was of a 7-9 year old being abused. Why does he want this??? What does it matter if he has 1 or 10 such images? well apparently he had not asked for that: he explicitely (unfortunate use of word...) had asked not to be sent images of anyone underage. So in answer to that specific question: he didn't. Allegedly. (I think there was evidence to that effect rather than just hearsay, but I'm not sure). Anyway: when it comes to something like this, persistent behaviour over an extended period of time is bound - and rightly so - to be a rather different category of seriousness when it comes to sentencing. And of course the offence he was tried and being sentenced for results from the possession. Not for "wanting".
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Post by adrianc on Sept 16, 2024 14:23:23 GMT
“making” indecent image / videos. It sounds like if we have been spammed, we could be “prosecuted” as well. Also, the seller of the videos, Mr Williams got a suspended sentence as well when the BBC guy said he didn’t want anything “illegal” if he’s telling the “truth” Yes, this particular law is a minefield. I recall the case of the senior female police officer (Met?) who received a handful (2? 3?) child sexual exploitation images from her sister (?). She was sent them IIRC because the sister suggested she should be looking into it. I don't think she even opened the pictures. I think in the end no criminal charges were brought but she was being booted out the force (or similar) for the act of having received them. Needless to say the whole thing ended up a mess with tribunals and stuff (but don't recall the final outcome). Superintendent Robyn Williams. Yup, her sister forwarded it to her, having been sent it by her boyfriend. She had not reported the material (which, really, you'd think would be absolutely stage one...), and swore blind she'd not viewed it - but she'd messaged her sister in response, to tell her to call. Her phone could not be fully examined to determine if she had viewed it or not. She won her tribunal for unfair dismissal - but it should have been a final written warning. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57501764She appealed that, but it was upheld. www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Met-Commissionver-v-Police-Appeals-Tribunal-CO-3164-2021.pdfShe was then charged with failure to provide information required of somebody on the sex offenders' register. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg3n19ndn3eoThose charges eventually got dropped as "not in the public interest". www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ceq3xw37jdqo
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Post by benaj on Sept 16, 2024 14:44:46 GMT
😂, so when we are checking emails on “cloud pc”? does it mean the local device not possessed the images / videos when being a target of spam?
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Post by michaelc on Sept 16, 2024 14:53:36 GMT
What difference does it make? One was of a 7-9 year old being abused. Why does he want this??? What does it matter if he has 1 or 10 such images? well apparently he had not asked for that: he explicitely (unfortunate use of word...) had asked not to be sent images of anyone underage. So in answer to that specific question: he didn't. Allegedly. (I think there was evidence to that effect rather than just hearsay, but I'm not sure). Anyway: when it comes to something like this, persistent behaviour over an extended period of time is bound - and rightly so - to be a rather different category of seriousness when it comes to sentencing. And of course the offence he was tried and being sentenced for results from the possession. Not for "wanting". You forgot to mention this was from his friend/acquaintance who is a convicted paedophile. You also didn't mention he was asked (by this paedophile) "do you want some pics of any _young_ ?" to which Edwards replied "Go on". I have no idea why anyone would think walking away from this crime is acceptable or try and minimise it. Edwards should have been ordered to spend at least some time inside. This sort of thing will just divide society even further.
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Post by keitha on Sept 16, 2024 15:05:48 GMT
Agreed. Six months suspended. ? They went into the sentencing in some depth on R4 WATO. Absolutely in line with sentencing guidelines... No special treatment given. Not sure the Chief Magistrate gave weight to the report by the psycologist/psychiatrist involved with Edwards saying he was affected by a puritanical father. for me this is an issue a rich man such as Huw Edwards can afford to pay specialists for this sort of report the average man in the street could not and would thus probably get a more severe sentence.
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Post by adrianc on Sept 16, 2024 15:26:16 GMT
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 16, 2024 16:07:08 GMT
well apparently he had not asked for that: he explicitely (unfortunate use of word...) had asked not to be sent images of anyone underage. So in answer to that specific question: he didn't. Allegedly. (I think there was evidence to that effect rather than just hearsay, but I'm not sure). Anyway: when it comes to something like this, persistent behaviour over an extended period of time is bound - and rightly so - to be a rather different category of seriousness when it comes to sentencing. And of course the offence he was tried and being sentenced for results from the possession. Not for "wanting". You forgot to mention this was from his friend/acquaintance who is a convicted paedophile. You also didn't mention he was asked (by this paedophile) "do you want some pics of any _young_ ?" to which Edwards replied "Go on". I have no idea why anyone would think walking away from this crime is acceptable or try and minimise it. Edwards should have been ordered to spend at least some time inside. This sort of thing will just divide society even further. well I did say "Allegedly". and I also did say "(I think there was evidence to that effect rather than just hearsay, but I'm not sure)." So no I didn't 'forget' to mention, as I made pretty clear I had NOT read lots about the evidence. I also didn't "minimise it". I said the appropriateness of the sentence (or otherwise) should be looked at in relation to other sentences for the same event. You know, the bit in my first post where I said: "None of which is to excuse, but I just think that if one is going to start bemoaning that his sentence is too light, it does need to be looked at in the context of other prior cases. And I'm not saying how the sentence does actually compare as I haven't done any resuuuuuurch into it."But perhaps you didn't notice that bit.
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Post by james100 on Sept 16, 2024 16:24:29 GMT
He got the absolute bare minimum sentence and court reports including text exchanges show he knew exactly what he was doing.
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