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Post by bernythedolt on Sept 22, 2024 21:36:10 GMT
Reading that if Anthony Joshua hadn't just lost his latest bout, he might have gone up against Tyson Fury, a match in which Fury would have picked up a minimum of £100 million. How can any boxing match possibly pay anybody £100 million? That's an outrageous payday.
For comparison, even the very top UK footballers, who themselves earn obscene amounts, have to work for 5 years to earn that kind of salary.
Where does this money derive from? Ok, some will come from ticket sales, but I can't help feeling that some of it ultimately must come, however indirectly, from the rest of us Joe Soap consumers and if so I object strongly.
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Post by keitha on Sept 22, 2024 21:42:50 GMT
I think one recently was an extra £25 on sky.
1 million subscribers £25 million
General TV rights, advertising etc etc
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Post by bernythedolt on Sept 22, 2024 21:52:10 GMT
I think one recently was an extra £25 on sky. 1 million subscribers £25 million General TV rights, advertising etc etc And who, ultimately, underwrites the massive cost of that advertising? I'm tempted to say we consumers pay in the long run.
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Post by keitha on Sept 22, 2024 22:23:38 GMT
I think one recently was an extra £25 on sky. 1 million subscribers £25 million General TV rights, advertising etc etc And who, ultimately, underwrites the massive cost of that advertising? I'm tempted to say we consumers pay in the long run. Of course we do, if advertising didn't work they wouldn't spend the money
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Post by bernythedolt on Sept 22, 2024 23:22:52 GMT
So when you add it up, these obscenely over-rewarded sports "stars" must be costing each of us a pretty penny every year. I want my money back.
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Post by benaj on Sept 23, 2024 7:05:21 GMT
Quite right, Sky sports not showing anything like Boccia, I wonder how much these para-athletes get paid.
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 23, 2024 8:25:12 GMT
Another classic from the Beeb telling us how to live our lives. Men on average are stronger than women - isn't that an advantage in many trades? Plasterboarding comes to mind and any role where one person is typically carrying around full size sheets of wood or plasterboard. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1k3k9y2dp3oI mean literally the opening words are "Women in the skilled trades industry..". And literally the 3rd paragraph and the first para with an actual example, is a female electrician who was the only woman on her course and the only one to actually pass first time - and with a distinction - and everyone else failed. And yet she struggled to get an apprenticeship as no-one wanted to take on a woman (allegedly). And you ridicule the article based on some innate concept of tradespeople not far off the requirements of a hod carrier? I'm not sure what is more alarming: your dismissal of tradespeople as not much more than pack donkeys; or that your inherent bias against the BBC meant you didn't read more than the title without declaring it "another classic"; or the possibility that some misogynistic tendencies led to an instant reaction of "we'll obviously that's men's work".
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 23, 2024 8:35:26 GMT
Reading that if Anthony Joshua hadn't just lost his latest bout, he might have gone up against Tyson Fury, a match in which Fury would have picked up a minimum of £100 million. How can any boxing match possibly pay anybody £100 million? That's an outrageous payday. For comparison, even the very top UK footballers, who themselves earn obscene amounts, have to work for 5 years to earn that kind of salary. Where does this money derive from? Ok, some will come from ticket sales, but I can't help feeling that some of it ultimately must come, however indirectly, from the rest of us Joe Soap consumers and if so I object strongly. My understanding is that large chuncks come from PPV revenues. Some of that PPV rev might come from advertising I guess (and so indirectly from Joe Public) but I also wouldn't be surprised if it was ad free/the vast bulk is from what the punters pay directly*. I don't know whether PPV boxing channels carry ads as I've never indulged. The worst I've ever done is the occasional day/week/month subscription to NowTV specifically to watch some rugby or cricket. Mr G has revealed this: "The purse details for the highly anticipated Anthony Joshua vs. Daniel Dubois fight reveal substantial financial rewards for both boxers. Joshua is guaranteed $7.9 million as a base purse, with the possibility of earning up to $33 million depending on the number of pay-per-view (PPV) buys. This potential payout is driven by a 60% share of the PPV revenue, reflecting Joshua's strong marketability and ability to attract large viewership."Which concurs with what I was thinking. While it might seem outrageous, it's market forces. At least it isn't receiving subsidies e.g. through lottery funding. And frankly, even if it is x10 what premier football players are getting, I know which one I think is earning their money more: I'd have no problem putting on some boots and getting on the same pitch with Kane or Haaland, but no pile of $$$ bills is big enough to have me put on a pair of gloves and get in a ring with Tyson, Joshua et al !!!! *One caveat: with Saudi involvement now, then I also wouldn't be surprised if there was some element of direct Saudi subsidies to fight purses i.e. loss leaders to help with their "sportswashing" agenda. But with boxing being so cash rich, I doubt that is even needed.
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Post by michaelc on Sept 23, 2024 11:20:53 GMT
Another classic from the Beeb telling us how to live our lives. Men on average are stronger than women - isn't that an advantage in many trades? Plasterboarding comes to mind and any role where one person is typically carrying around full size sheets of wood or plasterboard. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1k3k9y2dp3oI mean literally the opening words are "Women in the skilled trades industry..". And literally the 3rd paragraph and the first para with an actual example, is a female electrician who was the only woman on her course and the only one to actually pass first time - and with a distinction - and everyone else failed. And yet she struggled to get an apprenticeship as no-one wanted to take on a woman (allegedly). And you ridicule the article based on some innate concept of tradespeople not far off the requirements of a hod carrier? I'm not sure what is more alarming: your dismissal of tradespeople as not much more than pack donkeys; or that your inherent bias against the BBC meant you didn't read more than the title without declaring it "another classic"; or the possibility that some misogynistic tendencies led to an instant reaction of "we'll obviously that's men's work". Very inconsistent response BB. Carpentry and plastering is definitely a skilled trade - have you tried either? I do quite a bit of both. Even a "simple" hod carrier is likely a brickie's apprentice and thus learning another skilled trade unless you're telling me brick laying is also unskilled? No, I think the truth is you can't bare the idea that men and women are in any way different. They must play football and they must be hod carriers.
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Post by captainconfident on Sept 23, 2024 11:44:24 GMT
Another classic from the Beeb telling us how to live our lives. Men on average are stronger than women - isn't that an advantage in many trades? Plasterboarding comes to mind and any role where one person is typically carrying around full size sheets of wood or plasterboard. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1k3k9y2dp3oI know that your obsession with the BBC might be to an extent be for comic effect, but these articles that annoy you are not the BBC telling you how to anything. They are quoting from reports and spokespeople, not expressing their own 'corporate opinion'. Its not Fox News.
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 23, 2024 11:49:00 GMT
I mean literally the opening words are "Women in the skilled trades industry..". And literally the 3rd paragraph and the first para with an actual example, is a female electrician who was the only woman on her course and the only one to actually pass first time - and with a distinction - and everyone else failed. And yet she struggled to get an apprenticeship as no-one wanted to take on a woman (allegedly). And you ridicule the article based on some innate concept of tradespeople not far off the requirements of a hod carrier? I'm not sure what is more alarming: your dismissal of tradespeople as not much more than pack donkeys; or that your inherent bias against the BBC meant you didn't read more than the title without declaring it "another classic"; or the possibility that some misogynistic tendencies led to an instant reaction of "we'll obviously that's men's work". Very inconsistent response BB. Carpentry and plastering is definitely a skilled trade - have you tried either? I do quite a bit of both. Even a "simple" hod carrier is likely a brickie's apprentice and thus learning another skilled trade unless you're telling me brick laying is also unskilled? No, I think the truth is you can't bare the idea that men and women are in any way different. They must play football and they must be hod carriers. I wasn't suggesting they weren't: On the contrary. It was your reduction of them to 'need to lug stuff around so definitely not women's work' that I was referring to. And yes, also done some brick laying in my time. Albeit I wouldn't do plastering for real as I would be utterly ***t at it.
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Post by captainconfident on Sept 23, 2024 11:54:24 GMT
Another classic from the Beeb telling us how to live our lives. Men on average are stronger than women - isn't that an advantage in many trades? Plasterboarding comes to mind and any role where one person is typically carrying around full size sheets of wood or plasterboard. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1k3k9y2dp3oIn my experience if a reasonably sized woman (or man) can't carry something without strain it should be a 'two man' lift, there are also rules about how heavy a one man lift can be. Men often carry stuff they really shouldn't. A full sheet of plasterboard is really unwieldy rather than hugely heavy sensibly a two person lift I would say. A woman who is in one of those type of trades will be reasonably strong and fit by definition. But most trade jobs don't require huge strength, plumbers, electricians, brick layers, plasterers, etc, etc are skilled trades not brute force trades, and they usually have a mate to help with the heavy stuff. If pay should be related to physical strength as this original post implies, then older people should be paid less and also overweight/out of condition people and those with disabilities. Its unfair just to single out women.
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Post by michaelc on Sept 23, 2024 12:23:03 GMT
In my experience if a reasonably sized woman (or man) can't carry something without strain it should be a 'two man' lift, there are also rules about how heavy a one man lift can be. Men often carry stuff they really shouldn't. A full sheet of plasterboard is really unwieldy rather than hugely heavy sensibly a two person lift I would say. A woman who is in one of those type of trades will be reasonably strong and fit by definition. But most trade jobs don't require huge strength, plumbers, electricians, brick layers, plasterers, etc, etc are skilled trades not brute force trades, and they usually have a mate to help with the heavy stuff. If pay should be related to physical strength as this original post implies, then older people should be paid less and also overweight/out of condition people and those with disabilities. Its unfair just to single out women. If you mean my post, that is not what I implied. I'll restate it since I think its stating the obvious - some jobs are better done by men. There. Wasn't too difficult was it ? 
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Post by keitha on Sept 23, 2024 12:34:30 GMT
Rachel Reeves saying more public spending and no return to austerity.
lets put some context on this
The Government has no money it comes from tax payers or taxes on business
No austerity, what about the pensioners who will have to turn heating down ( or God forbid Off ) because they can't afford it.
If Councils are allowed to spend more the money has to come from central Government via increased taxes or via increases in the council tax, and / or abolition of single person discount.
increase n Sin Taxes ( Alcohol, certain foods, fuel ) ?
My private pension goes up by CPI, or wage inflation, but is limited to 5% over the last 2 years my pension is effectively worth 10% less than it was.
She has promised more spending but no increases in Tax rates or VAT ( interestingly she didn't mention NI )
She will clamp down on tax avoidance and tax evasion - Tax avoidance is perfectly legal, Tax evasion is illegal.
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Post by benaj on Sept 23, 2024 13:10:00 GMT
Although the FDCO advises Britons to leave Lebanon, but some are required to stay for doing the job for reporting stories there. Why there's no report for Lebanese government demanding their neighbour to stop any attack on their territory? Are they really that bad don't care their citizens being killed and their assets being destroyed?
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