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Post by agent69 on Mar 1, 2024 18:45:15 GMT
George Galloway - the only politician with less policies than Humza Yousaf
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Post by michaelc on Mar 1, 2024 18:59:41 GMT
I dislike George Galloway for a number of reasons: he operates at an uncomfortable intersection of hard left and hard right political views; he is a populist so by definition operates on a divisive philosophy of 'them vs us'; his manner and statements seem driven by personal emotion opinion rather than fact, and implies his opinions are factual. He's historically, repeatedly, made public comments which are inappropriate to say - however much I believe he's entitled to think and speak them in private - he seems to lack any sense of responsibility for the consequences of his statements and is simply a professional rabble-rouser or "revolutionary" as he describes himself. His 'this is for Gaza' comment on winning Rochdale is textbook Galloway. He courted his prospective constituents perfectly based on a number of demographic factors and he got a double whammy of publicity and ended up on the front page of newspapers around the globe for it. Maybe the guy formerly known as the "MP for Baghdad North" is just trying to beat Cyril Smith to become Rochdale's most famous MP; his primary focus has always been seeking attention. Just my humble opinion. I am genuinely interested in understanding why you quite like him. And I don't dislike him particularly because of pro-Palestine/anti-Israel views. He is entitled to have those. However there are views which are anti the actions of a particular country/government, and then there is calling for the dismemberment/abolition of that internationally recognised country. Which GG does. Thereby aligning himself with the likes of Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Iranian theocracy. Which is of course hardly surprising, given the coterie of others he has courted in the past. Source ?
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Post by angrysaveruk on Mar 1, 2024 20:48:11 GMT
Quite like Galloway. Most here won't either because he's populist or because of his pro-Palestine/anti-Israel views. I am not entirely on board with Galloways political view of the world, but I respect his bravery and conviction. Personally I would vote for him simply as a protest vote against what is taking place in Gaza.
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Post by rscal on Mar 1, 2024 21:18:26 GMT
George Galloway - the only politician with less policies than Humza Yousaf (With 'fewer' policies than Humza Yousaf)
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Post by adrianc on Mar 2, 2024 10:24:10 GMT
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Post by michaelc on Mar 2, 2024 14:11:03 GMT
The closest you got was 11 years him saying he "doesn't recognise Israel". He is entitled to that view - presumably born out of frustration of there being no proper 2 state solution. I think that is going too far although events in Gazza recently are making me wonder.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 2, 2024 14:38:47 GMT
Not forgetting his party deputy chair saying four months ago that Israel had no right to exist, and one month ago that it must be destroyed and must be dismantled. Did Georgeous disagree with that? Link to that tweet, which isn't displaying because of whatever St Elon's broken today. |
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Post by agent69 on Mar 2, 2024 16:50:50 GMT
The closest you got was 11 years him saying he "doesn't recognise Israel". He is entitled to that view - presumably born out of frustration of there being no proper 2 state solution. I think that is going too far although events in Gazza recently are making me wonder. And whose fault is that?
The Palestinians could have had a 2 state solution at any time after their liberation from the Ottaman Empire at the end of the first world war. They could have had a 2 state solution when the UN partitioned the area in 1948, but instead chose to declare war on Israel (as they did again in 1967).
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Post by michaelc on Mar 2, 2024 18:29:42 GMT
The closest you got was 11 years him saying he "doesn't recognise Israel". He is entitled to that view - presumably born out of frustration of there being no proper 2 state solution. I think that is going too far although events in Gazza recently are making me wonder. And whose fault is that?
The Palestinians could have had a 2 state solution at any time after their liberation from the Ottaman Empire at the end of the first world war. They could have had a 2 state solution when the UN partitioned the area in 1948, but instead chose to declare war on Israel (as they did again in 1967).
Based on what borders and conditions? Its a lot more complex than that. Out of interest do you have skin in the game?
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Post by adrianc on Mar 2, 2024 18:39:19 GMT
 I can't think why Palestinians might have been a bit miffed at their home being handed over to somebody else.
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Post by benaj on Mar 2, 2024 19:00:59 GMT
Pretty sure there were some interesting developments in history making Middle East not enjoying peace and freedom. The Iranian could have asked why there was revolution being ruled by “religious” regime.
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Post by agent69 on Mar 2, 2024 19:10:31 GMT
Based on what borders and conditions? Its a lot more complex than that. Out of interest do you have skin in the game? That's a bit academic given that in the 70 years following the first world war the Palestinians rejected any proposal that didn't involve them having 100% of the land.
I'm not certain what you mean by skin in the game, it's just from my perspective it's obvious where the problem lies. Even in 2024 there are wide sections of arab countries in the Middle East that do not recognise Israels right to exist. And lets not forget that these innocent Palestinians in Gaza are the same people who danced in the streets on 9/11 to celebrate the collapse of the twin towers.
The Middle East today is a bit like Northern Ireland in the 70's. It's not a battle between the good guys and the bad guys as both sides were pretty odious. The difference between the 2 sides is that one is trying to use violence to change internationally recognised borders.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Mar 2, 2024 19:50:44 GMT
Based on what borders and conditions? Its a lot more complex than that. Out of interest do you have skin in the game? That's a bit academic given that in the 70 years following the first world war the Palestinians rejected any proposal that didn't involve them having 100% of the land.
I'm not certain what you mean by skin in the game, it's just from my perspective it's obvious where the problem lies. Even in 2024 there are wide sections of arab countries in the Middle East that do not recognise Israels right to exist. And lets not forget that these innocent Palestinians in Gaza are the same people who danced in the streets on 9/11 to celebrate the collapse of the twin towers.
The Middle East today is a bit like Northern Ireland in the 70's. It's not a battle between the good guys and the bad guys as both sides were pretty odious. The difference between the 2 sides is that one is trying to use violence to change internationally recognised borders.
I doubt the ten thousand plus Palestinian children who have been killed were dancing in the streets after 9/11* * - they were not born yet.
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 2, 2024 20:01:01 GMT
I can't think why Palestinians might have been a bit miffed at their home being handed over to somebody else. Or that it was invaded and occupied by their supposed supporters in 1948, (Only Gaza was recognised as the Palestinian state by the Arabs states in 1948) Eygpt occupied Gaza & Jordan the West bank. The Arab states dont really give a hoot about the Palestinians when it isnt convenient, they not really supporting them now.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 2, 2024 23:38:01 GMT
Egypt's history with the Muslim Brotherhood, and their links to Hamas, may be a reason why.
Not wanting to get (further) on the wrong side of the next-door neighbours may be another reason.
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