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Post by michaelc on Mar 3, 2024 16:03:09 GMT
Quite like Galloway. Most here won't either because he's populist or because of his pro-Palestine/anti-Israel views. I dislike George Galloway for a number of reasons: he operates at an uncomfortable intersection of hard left and hard right political views; he is a populist so by definition operates on a divisive philosophy of 'them vs us'; his manner and statements seem driven by personal emotion opinion rather than fact, and implies his opinions are factual. He's historically, repeatedly, made public comments which are inappropriate to say - however much I believe he's entitled to think and speak them in private - he seems to lack any sense of responsibility for the consequences of his statements and is simply a professional rabble-rouser or "revolutionary" as he describes himself. His 'this is for Gaza' comment on winning Rochdale is textbook Galloway. He courted his prospective constituents perfectly based on a number of demographic factors and he got a double whammy of publicity and ended up on the front page of newspapers around the globe for it. Maybe the guy formerly known as the "MP for Baghdad North" is just trying to beat Cyril Smith to become Rochdale's most famous MP; his primary focus has always been seeking attention. Just my humble opinion. I am genuinely interested in understanding why you quite like him. Here's an example of why and by the way I don't like everything he says nor do I think he'd make a good PM but as someone in opposition he's ideal. This interview starts with Sky quoting the PM as saying "...the election of you to parliament is beyond horrifying....". I would say the election of someone like N Griffin would be that. One full on Left winger in parliament out of 600+ MPs enriches our democracy its certainly not beyond horrifying. (He's not hard right wing _at all_ as far as I can tell). To me the interviewer, quite a big name in Sky News came off very badly here. Shows himself well as the face of Murdoch and the other controlling interests in the channel. www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7p7CAyxHgg&ab_channel=SkyNews
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Post by adrianc on Mar 3, 2024 16:31:26 GMT
This interview starts with Sky quoting the PM as saying "...the election of you to parliament is beyond horrifying....". I would say the election of someone like N Griffin would be that. One full on Left winger in parliament out of 600+ MPs enriches our democracy its certainly not beyond horrifying. (He's not hard right wing _at all_ as far as I can tell). Remember, Galloway was paid by the Russian state broadcaster for almost a decade until the invasion of Ukraine saw that sanctioned. He previously expressed long-standing support for Saddam Hussein, and has publicly expressed his support for Bashar al-Assad. His party deputy chair, Chris Williamson, is paid by the Iranian state broadcaster. I don't agree with Sunak - apart from anything else, Galloway has already spent 26 years as an MP - members.parliament.uk/member/609/career - two of which overlapped with him working for Putin's regime, during which he also contested four of the five elections he's lost. But does he "enrich" our democracy? No. He's self-interested and self-obsessed, caring nothing for the people of Rochdale beyond whether they elect him. He may have started off on a path of serving his Glaswegian communities, but he wandered very far from that at some point in the mid 00s.
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Post by agent69 on Mar 3, 2024 17:42:34 GMT
Egypt's history with the Muslim Brotherhood, and their links to Hamas, may be a reason why. Not wanting to get (further) on the wrong side of the next-door neighbours may be another reason.I worked in Egypt just after the Camp David accord was signed, 'normalising' relations with Egypt, and at the time the average man in the street was suspicious of the deal. We were building a road tunnel under the Suez canal and when it was nearly complete one of the Egyptian engineers asked where the doors were. When asked why he wanted door he said 'so we can close them if the israelis invade'
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Post by captainconfident on Mar 3, 2024 20:05:04 GMT
Delighted that Galloway was elected. Anyone reminding you in denial, that civilians are being murdered daily, blasted and crushed in the buildings they are sheltering in, is welcome in a parliament where the other leaders are too engaged in playing politics to act as morally responsible human beings.
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 3, 2024 20:15:36 GMT
I dislike George Galloway for a number of reasons: he operates at an uncomfortable intersection of hard left and hard right political views; he is a populist so by definition operates on a divisive philosophy of 'them vs us'; his manner and statements seem driven by personal emotion opinion rather than fact, and implies his opinions are factual. He's historically, repeatedly, made public comments which are inappropriate to say - however much I believe he's entitled to think and speak them in private - he seems to lack any sense of responsibility for the consequences of his statements and is simply a professional rabble-rouser or "revolutionary" as he describes himself. His 'this is for Gaza' comment on winning Rochdale is textbook Galloway. He courted his prospective constituents perfectly based on a number of demographic factors and he got a double whammy of publicity and ended up on the front page of newspapers around the globe for it. Maybe the guy formerly known as the "MP for Baghdad North" is just trying to beat Cyril Smith to become Rochdale's most famous MP; his primary focus has always been seeking attention. Just my humble opinion. I am genuinely interested in understanding why you quite like him. ... This interview starts with Sky quoting the PM as saying "...the election of you to parliament is beyond horrifying....". I would say the election of someone like N Griffin would be that. .... I think that was a totally dumb ass thing for Rishi to say. It smacks of the political establishment in their ivory tower telling the electorate how naughty they have been. Rather than accept that it is a demonstration of the weakness of current politics. It's a deflection from their own failure. As much as I dislike GG and his ilk, his election is not 'beyond horrifying'. After all, he's been an MP before. Its also pretty obvious that he massively benefited from the defenestration of the Labour candidate, and likely a consequentially lower turnout as well. Still, when you have the former chairman of the British National Party celebrating the election of someone who purports to stand up for the rights of muslims in the UK, you know that you have entered a surreal political landscape. If we had PR in this country, then it is quite likely that there would be more Galloway's elected, and even potentially a Nick Griffin.
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Post by michaelc on Mar 3, 2024 20:57:26 GMT
This interview starts with Sky quoting the PM as saying "...the election of you to parliament is beyond horrifying....". I would say the election of someone like N Griffin would be that. One full on Left winger in parliament out of 600+ MPs enriches our democracy its certainly not beyond horrifying. (He's not hard right wing _at all_ as far as I can tell). saw that sanctioned. He previously expressed long-standing support for Saddam Hussein, and has publicly expressed his support for Bashar al-Assad. His party deputy chair, Chris Williamson, is paid by the Iranian state broadcaster. I don't agree with Sunak - apart from anything else, Galloway has already spent 26 years as an MP - members.parliament.uk/member/609/career - two of which overlapped with him working for Putin's regime, during which he also contested four of the five elections he's lost. But does he "enrich" our democracy? No. He's self-interested and self-obsessed, caring nothing for the people of Rochdale beyond whether they elect him. He may have started off on a path of serving his Glaswegian communities, but he wandered very far from that at some point in the mid 00s. That's a pretty Dailymail-esque shot I would say. How many people have shows on our state broadcaster? Do a show on the BBC and suddenly you're working for Rishi's regime ? Nonsense. And more to the point, as far as I know he was against Russia's invasion.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Mar 3, 2024 21:15:25 GMT
This interview starts with Sky quoting the PM as saying "...the election of you to parliament is beyond horrifying....". I would say the election of someone like N Griffin would be that. One full on Left winger in parliament out of 600+ MPs enriches our democracy its certainly not beyond horrifying. (He's not hard right wing _at all_ as far as I can tell). Remember, Galloway was paid by the Russian state broadcaster for almost a decade until the invasion of Ukraine saw that sanctioned. He previously expressed long-standing support for Saddam Hussein, and has publicly expressed his support for Bashar al-Assad. His party deputy chair, Chris Williamson, is paid by the Iranian state broadcaster.
Galloway and Williamson are basically ideological left wingers who are totally opposed to western foreign policy on ideological grounds - if they were making large sums of money from Russia or Iran I think we would have already heard about it. There is alot of HYPOCRISY in the West about which "regimes" or foreign governments are acceptable and which are not. The classic example is Saudi Arabia* which has lined the pockets of a number of politicians in this country with millions of pounds, including former Prime Ministers.
* - which has an official policy of executing Gay Guys by stoning
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Post by registerme on Mar 3, 2024 21:36:18 GMT
Do a show on the BBC and suddenly you're working for Rishi's regime ? Nonsense. Indeed. And that's the point. You can go on the BBC, criticise the government, or its policy, and not fear that you're going to suddenly be at risk of involuntarily falling out of a window or donning Novichok boxers. Galloway was paid to appear on RT, which is about the polar opposite to the BBC. I admire the man for his appearance in front of the Senate, which for those who haven't seen it is definitely worth watching. But yeah, as for everything else he has done, or stands for, I'm not a fan. EDIT: You think Putin, and his regime, would have stood for this or allowed it to be made public?
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Post by james100 on Mar 3, 2024 21:48:40 GMT
I dislike George Galloway for a number of reasons: he operates at an uncomfortable intersection of hard left and hard right political views; he is a populist so by definition operates on a divisive philosophy of 'them vs us'; his manner and statements seem driven by personal emotion opinion rather than fact, and implies his opinions are factual. He's historically, repeatedly, made public comments which are inappropriate to say - however much I believe he's entitled to think and speak them in private - he seems to lack any sense of responsibility for the consequences of his statements and is simply a professional rabble-rouser or "revolutionary" as he describes himself. His 'this is for Gaza' comment on winning Rochdale is textbook Galloway. He courted his prospective constituents perfectly based on a number of demographic factors and he got a double whammy of publicity and ended up on the front page of newspapers around the globe for it. Maybe the guy formerly known as the "MP for Baghdad North" is just trying to beat Cyril Smith to become Rochdale's most famous MP; his primary focus has always been seeking attention. Just my humble opinion. I am genuinely interested in understanding why you quite like him. Here's an example of why and by the way I don't like everything he says nor do I think he'd make a good PM but as someone in opposition he's ideal. This interview starts with Sky quoting the PM as saying "...the election of you to parliament is beyond horrifying....". I would say the election of someone like N Griffin would be that. One full on Left winger in parliament out of 600+ MPs enriches our democracy its certainly not beyond horrifying. (He's not hard right wing _at all_ as far as I can tell). To me the interviewer, quite a big name in Sky News came off very badly here. Shows himself well as the face of Murdoch and the other controlling interests in the channel. www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7p7CAyxHgg&ab_channel=SkyNewsThanks, I have just watched the interview. I'm very much in favour of strong opposition in politics - a hugely necessary function as a policy moderators in a healthy democratic system, and I also agree with you, or what I think you implied, that oppositional representation doesn't have to equate with PM material. I can see GG has a rare charismatic along similar lines as as BJ, and in the start of the interview it's really refreshing to see an MP give a robust and direct responses. At the same time, he degenerated rapidly back to my previous assessment: an angry, divisive man who's greatest talent is rabble rousing. Insulting, cheap shots (why he needed to mention Rishi Sunak's stature twice is beyond me) dragged his credibility to zero; he showed no interest in addressing concerns of any constituents who don't support him, and had no response to allegations of intimidation by his supporters...who then performed on cue to prove the allegations are probably valid. The word febrile was used but it looked more like feral to me and I don't think any journalist deserves to be treated like that.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Mar 3, 2024 22:18:05 GMT
Do a show on the BBC and suddenly you're working for Rishi's regime ? Nonsense. Indeed. And that's the point. You can go on the BBC, criticise the government, or its policy, and not fear that you're going to suddenly be at risk of involuntarily falling out of a window or donning Novichok boxers.
If only that were truely true *....
* - and dont forget all the "mysterious" deaths of people involved in wikileaks.
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Post by keitha on Mar 3, 2024 23:03:38 GMT
This interview starts with Sky quoting the PM as saying "...the election of you to parliament is beyond horrifying....". I would say the election of someone like N Griffin would be that. One full on Left winger in parliament out of 600+ MPs enriches our democracy its certainly not beyond horrifying. (He's not hard right wing _at all_ as far as I can tell). Remember, Galloway was paid by the Russian state broadcaster for almost a decade until the invasion of Ukraine saw that sanctioned. He previously expressed long-standing support for Saddam Hussein, and has publicly expressed his support for Bashar al-Assad. His party deputy chair, Chris Williamson, is paid by the Iranian state broadcaster. I don't agree with Sunak - apart from anything else, Galloway has already spent 26 years as an MP - members.parliament.uk/member/609/career - two of which overlapped with him working for Putin's regime, during which he also contested four of the five elections he's lost. But does he "enrich" our democracy? No. He's self-interested and self-obsessed, caring nothing for the people of Rochdale beyond whether they elect him. He may have started off on a path of serving his Glaswegian communities, but he wandered very far from that at some point in the mid 00s. There are many things you adrianc and I disagree on, particularly politically, but the fact that we are in total agreement on this odious creature says an awful lot about how the average person in the UK is feeling.
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Post by james100 on Mar 3, 2024 23:05:59 GMT
Do a show on the BBC and suddenly you're working for Rishi's regime ? Nonsense. Indeed. And that's the point. You can go on the BBC, criticise the government, or its policy, and not fear that you're going to suddenly be at risk of involuntarily falling out of a window or donning Novichok boxers. Galloway was paid to appear on RT, which is about the polar opposite to the BBC. I admire the man for his appearance in front of the Senate, which for those who haven't seen it is definitely worth watching. But yeah, as for everything else he has done, or stands for, I'm not a fan. EDIT: You think Putin, and his regime, would have stood for this or allowed it to be made public? Fantastic watch. V impressive as was Sen Levit - Galloway's attitude changed then, not sure whether it was due to Levit mentioning he hadn't supported the war either or whether he was actually being challenged by someone who wouldn't let go, but interesting to see. His self-confidence and delivery was pretty mesmerising and I had a strange urge to clap at the end!
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Post by registerme on Mar 3, 2024 23:11:58 GMT
Yes. I don't like the man. And I don't support his politics. But he deserves respect for that appearance (performance?).
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Post by michaelc on Mar 4, 2024 0:18:05 GMT
Remember, Galloway was paid by the Russian state broadcaster for almost a decade until the invasion of Ukraine saw that sanctioned. He previously expressed long-standing support for Saddam Hussein, and has publicly expressed his support for Bashar al-Assad. His party deputy chair, Chris Williamson, is paid by the Iranian state broadcaster. I don't agree with Sunak - apart from anything else, Galloway has already spent 26 years as an MP - members.parliament.uk/member/609/career - two of which overlapped with him working for Putin's regime, during which he also contested four of the five elections he's lost. But does he "enrich" our democracy? No. He's self-interested and self-obsessed, caring nothing for the people of Rochdale beyond whether they elect him. He may have started off on a path of serving his Glaswegian communities, but he wandered very far from that at some point in the mid 00s. There are many things you adrianc and I disagree on, particularly politically, but the fact that we are in total agreement on this odious creature says an awful lot about how the average person in the UK is feeling. But....isn't the point he won in a democratic election ? Or are the people of Rochdale different from the rest of us?
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Post by adrianc on Mar 4, 2024 12:42:48 GMT
There are many things you adrianc and I disagree on, particularly politically, but the fact that we are in total agreement on this odious creature says an awful lot about how the average person in the UK is feeling. But....isn't the point he won in a democratic election ? Or are the people of Rochdale different from the rest of us? Yes, he did. A total stark staring raging cock-up of a by-election - the result of which will be barely relevant because there's a general election imminent.
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