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Nov 27, 2024 13:14:20 GMT
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Post by benaj on Nov 27, 2024 13:14:20 GMT
Mr Musk replied on the MAHA meal photo tweet with 😂
I wonder if he finished the meal or just bite some just to be polite.
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Nov 27, 2024 15:55:18 GMT
Post by michaelc on Nov 27, 2024 15:55:18 GMT
More strange events on the other side of the pond:
- Biden wants to give weight loss drugs to obese people for free
- R F Kennedy Jr (Trump choice to lead department of health) believes in diet and exercise rather than drugs
- Trump is asking wrestling legend Hulk Hogan to make America fit again.
I wonder which path the obese President elect will take?
via the McD's drive thru. Well probably not, as someone else will be despatched to actually get it. Otherwise that would involve exercise of walking to/from the pressie's limo. I do think the group photo of the Donny's Clowns on Trump Force One* round a table of McD's was hilarious: can anyone ever look as uncomfortable as John "Brain Worm" Kennedy does? * How narcissistic do you have to be to name your private jet Trump Force One? The definitions tend to suggest a disorder where people suffer from an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. I think the unreasonable test fails in this case.
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Nov 27, 2024 16:57:14 GMT
Post by keitha on Nov 27, 2024 16:57:14 GMT
Based on official figures or 6ft 3 and 240 pounds ( 17 stone ) that puts him bang on 30 BMI which is the border between overweight and obese
having said that Joe Biden is 6ft and 178 pounds ( 12 stone 10 ) that gives him a BMI of 24.1 looking at the 2 together I'd say the difference in weight is more than 4 and a half stones
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 27, 2024 17:14:23 GMT
via the McD's drive thru. Well probably not, as someone else will be despatched to actually get it. Otherwise that would involve exercise of walking to/from the pressie's limo. I do think the group photo of the Donny's Clowns on Trump Force One* round a table of McD's was hilarious: can anyone ever look as uncomfortable as John "Brain Worm" Kennedy does? *How narcissistic do you have to be to name your private jet Trump Force One? The definitions tend to suggest a disorder where people suffer from an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. I think the unreasonable test fails in this case. I would suggest that is being rather selective in your definition, or rather selective in your choice of partial definition - to the extent of misrepresenting or possibly misunderstanding the meaning. Now, I know that if you type in "narcissism" into Google, the top hit is the mayo clinic which starts with...." ...a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance...". Which is word for word for what you posted. However taking that one sentence rather fails the "only scraping the surface" test of its meaning. Lets take a deeper dive: "Narcissism is a self-centered personality style characterized as having an excessive preoccupation with oneself and one's own needs, often at the expense of others." "excessive interest in or admiration of oneself and one's physical appearance." As single sentence encapsulations, these are far more representative of the meaning. Lets expand a bit further: "Narcissism is extreme self-involvement to the degree that it makes a person ignore the needs of those around them. While everyone may show occasional narcissistic behaviour, true narcissists frequently disregard others or their feelings. They also do not understand the effect that their behaviour has on other people." Note that all of these focus on the self-centred aspect, because of course one can be very important and know one is very important, while still not being a narcissist. Obama, Biden, Bush etc. were all very important, and I'm sure they recognised that. However that didn't make them narcissistic, because they still had empathy for others and recognised that their needs were not to the exclusion of others. It's the reasonableness of the fixation on self that is critical. Back to that Mayo Clinic opening line. Click through and read, and you get less (somewhat misleading) surface and more depth. For example: "People with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence, they are not sure of their self-worth and are easily upset by the slightest criticism." Umm. Read on a bit: Symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and how severe they are can vary. People with the disorder can:
0 Have an unreasonably high sense of self-importance and require constant, excessive admiration. TICK 0 Feel that they deserve privileges and special treatment. TICK 0 Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements. TICK (not because of no achievements, but claiming ones that weren't or weren't his) 0 Make achievements and talents seem bigger than they are. TICK (4 bankrupt casinos from the stellar businessman anyone? ) 0 Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate. TICK (I got bored with the bracketed examples bit) 0 Believe they are superior to others and can only spend time with or be understood by equally special people. 0 Be critical of and look down on people they feel are not important. TICK 0 Expect special favors and expect other people to do what they want without questioning them. TICK o Take advantage of others to get what they want. TICK 0 Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others. TICK 0 Be envious of others and believe others envy them. TICK 0 Behave in an arrogant way, brag a lot and come across as conceited. TICK 0 Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office. TICK I think Trump passes the "are you a narcissist test", In fact I think he probably "aces it": rather like that apparently "hard" cognitive test that he keeps bragging he "aced", even though it seems it was a basic standard seniors cognitive test: perhaps see fourth bullet point above).
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Nov 27, 2024 17:32:56 GMT
Post by adrianc on Nov 27, 2024 17:32:56 GMT
Based on official figures or 6ft 3 and 240 pounds ( 17 stone ) that puts him bang on 30 BMI which is the border between overweight and obese ...and if you believe that... slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/08/donald-trump-prison-weight-lie.htmlI'm a bit under 190cm (6'2") and about 105kg (16st7). That puts me a nadger under 30BMI. I am NOWHERE NEAR the same "build" as Trump...
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Nov 27, 2024 18:50:32 GMT
Post by captainconfident on Nov 27, 2024 18:50:32 GMT
There was a bit in Private Eye about Ozempic and journalists writing about their "journey" over and over again. But it turned up a couple of good quotes. One journo found one where Barbara Cartland said something along the lines of "You have to choose between the face and the figure darling, and nobody minds a bit of padding". In the second one the journo said "I am moderately overweight but nothing I would dream of bothering the doctor about. I have a slight feeling of resentment at these people taking a short cut".
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Post by agent69 on Nov 27, 2024 19:32:26 GMT
Based on official figures or 6ft 3 and 240 pounds ( 17 stone )that puts him bang on 30 BMI which is the border between overweight and obese having said that Joe Biden is 6ft and 178 pounds ( 12 stone 10 ) that gives him a BMI of 24.1 looking at the 2 together I'd say the difference in weight is more than 4 and a half stones I thought that it was generally accepted that his height was exagerated to ensure his BMI didn't go over 30.
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Nov 27, 2024 19:58:23 GMT
Post by adrianc on Nov 27, 2024 19:58:23 GMT
Based on official figures or 6ft 3 and 240 pounds ( 17 stone )that puts him bang on 30 BMI which is the border between overweight and obese having said that Joe Biden is 6ft and 178 pounds ( 12 stone 10 ) that gives him a BMI of 24.1 looking at the 2 together I'd say the difference in weight is more than 4 and a half stones I thought that it was generally accepted that his height was exagerated to ensure his BMI didn't go over 30. Definitely. Photos of Trump standing next to other people, full length, with anything as context, seem to be few and far between... Obama is officially 6'1 1/2". Obama was clearly slightly taller than Trump at the 2017 inauguration...
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Nov 27, 2024 20:37:21 GMT
Post by michaelc on Nov 27, 2024 20:37:21 GMT
The definitions tend to suggest a disorder where people suffer from an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. I think the unreasonable test fails in this case. I would suggest that is being rather selective in your definition, or rather selective in your choice of partial definition - to the extent of misrepresenting or possibly misunderstanding the meaning. Now, I know that if you type in "narcissism" into Google, the top hit is the mayo clinic which starts with...." ...a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance...". Which is word for word for what you posted. However taking that one sentence rather fails the "only scraping the surface" test of its meaning. Lets take a deeper dive: "Narcissism is a self-centered personality style characterized as having an excessive preoccupation with oneself and one's own needs, often at the expense of others." "excessive interest in or admiration of oneself and one's physical appearance." As single sentence encapsulations, these are far more representative of the meaning. Lets expand a bit further: "Narcissism is extreme self-involvement to the degree that it makes a person ignore the needs of those around them. While everyone may show occasional narcissistic behaviour, true narcissists frequently disregard others or their feelings. They also do not understand the effect that their behaviour has on other people." Note that all of these focus on the self-centred aspect, because of course one can be very important and know one is very important, while still not being a narcissist. Obama, Biden, Bush etc. were all very important, and I'm sure they recognised that. However that didn't make them narcissistic, because they still had empathy for others and recognised that their needs were not to the exclusion of others. It's the reasonableness of the fixation on self that is critical. Back to that Mayo Clinic opening line. Click through and read, and you get less (somewhat misleading) surface and more depth. For example: "People with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence, they are not sure of their self-worth and are easily upset by the slightest criticism." Umm. Read on a bit: Symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and how severe they are can vary. People with the disorder can:
0 Have an unreasonably high sense of self-importance and require constant, excessive admiration. TICK 0 Feel that they deserve privileges and special treatment. TICK 0 Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements. TICK (not because of no achievements, but claiming ones that weren't or weren't his) 0 Make achievements and talents seem bigger than they are. TICK (4 bankrupt casinos from the stellar businessman anyone? ) 0 Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate. TICK (I got bored with the bracketed examples bit) 0 Believe they are superior to others and can only spend time with or be understood by equally special people. 0 Be critical of and look down on people they feel are not important. TICK 0 Expect special favors and expect other people to do what they want without questioning them. TICK o Take advantage of others to get what they want. TICK 0 Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others. TICK 0 Be envious of others and believe others envy them. TICK 0 Behave in an arrogant way, brag a lot and come across as conceited. TICK 0 Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office. TICK I think Trump passes the "are you a narcissist test", In fact I think he probably "aces it": rather like that apparently "hard" cognitive test that he keeps bragging he "aced", even though it seems it was a basic standard seniors cognitive test: perhaps see fourth bullet point above). Lets not take a deeper dive and quit reading while we're ahead. I used the Mayo Clinic's definition but so what? They all talk about an exaggerated sense of self importance. In Trump's case, there is nothing exaggerated.
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Nov 27, 2024 20:43:43 GMT
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Post by benaj on Nov 27, 2024 20:43:43 GMT
I might not be a fan of DJT myself. But according to Dr. Jean M. Twenge, a psychologist known for her research on narcissism, narcissists can offer a sense of excitement and validation, as their grandiosity and attention can make women feel uniquely special or admired.
Additionally, women with lower self-esteem may be particularly vulnerable, as they might interpret narcissistic behaviors as a sign of value or superiority.
I suppose for those who don’t know how to love themselves, it’s harder to show the love language to their recipients.
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Nov 27, 2024 20:48:19 GMT
Post by adrianc on Nov 27, 2024 20:48:19 GMT
They all talk about an exaggerated sense of self importance. In Trump's case, there is nothing exaggerated. Mmm... Trump seems to believe he's the second coming, and the only possible saviour for civilisation. You think that's perfectly reasonable? Reminder: apnews.com/article/2bb960fda0264c488d454632628cb193
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Nov 27, 2024 20:55:58 GMT
Post by bracknellboy on Nov 27, 2024 20:55:58 GMT
I would suggest that is being rather selective in your definition, or rather selective in your choice of partial definition - to the extent of misrepresenting or possibly misunderstanding the meaning. Now, I know that if you type in "narcissism" into Google, the top hit is the mayo clinic which starts with...." ...a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance...". Which is word for word for what you posted. However taking that one sentence rather fails the "only scraping the surface" test of its meaning. Lets take a deeper dive: "Narcissism is a self-centered personality style characterized as having an excessive preoccupation with oneself and one's own needs, often at the expense of others." "excessive interest in or admiration of oneself and one's physical appearance." As single sentence encapsulations, these are far more representative of the meaning. Lets expand a bit further: "Narcissism is extreme self-involvement to the degree that it makes a person ignore the needs of those around them. While everyone may show occasional narcissistic behaviour, true narcissists frequently disregard others or their feelings. They also do not understand the effect that their behaviour has on other people." Note that all of these focus on the self-centred aspect, because of course one can be very important and know one is very important, while still not being a narcissist. Obama, Biden, Bush etc. were all very important, and I'm sure they recognised that. However that didn't make them narcissistic, because they still had empathy for others and recognised that their needs were not to the exclusion of others. It's the reasonableness of the fixation on self that is critical. Back to that Mayo Clinic opening line. Click through and read, and you get less (somewhat misleading) surface and more depth. For example: "People with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence, they are not sure of their self-worth and are easily upset by the slightest criticism." Umm. Read on a bit: Symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and how severe they are can vary. People with the disorder can:
0 Have an unreasonably high sense of self-importance and require constant, excessive admiration. TICK 0 Feel that they deserve privileges and special treatment. TICK 0 Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements. TICK (not because of no achievements, but claiming ones that weren't or weren't his) 0 Make achievements and talents seem bigger than they are. TICK (4 bankrupt casinos from the stellar businessman anyone? ) 0 Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate. TICK (I got bored with the bracketed examples bit) 0 Believe they are superior to others and can only spend time with or be understood by equally special people. 0 Be critical of and look down on people they feel are not important. TICK 0 Expect special favors and expect other people to do what they want without questioning them. TICK o Take advantage of others to get what they want. TICK 0 Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others. TICK 0 Be envious of others and believe others envy them. TICK 0 Behave in an arrogant way, brag a lot and come across as conceited. TICK 0 Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office. TICK I think Trump passes the "are you a narcissist test", In fact I think he probably "aces it": rather like that apparently "hard" cognitive test that he keeps bragging he "aced", even though it seems it was a basic standard seniors cognitive test: perhaps see fourth bullet point above). Lets not take a deeper dive and quit reading while we're ahead. I used the Mayo Clinic's definition but so what? They all talk about an exaggerated sense of self importance. In Trump's case, there is nothing exaggerated. but you didn't quite: You used the first sentence without the context of everything else they said. The complete first paragraph is: "Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. They need and seek too much attention and want people to admire them. People with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others." (My italics for the additional bit). And then of course they go on to list all the symptoms which define the condition, a list I repeated for convenience in the above. Since it is a condition which is defined by its symptoms, I think we can say he easily fits it.
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 27, 2024 20:58:55 GMT
Based on official figures or 6ft 3 and 240 pounds ( 17 stone )that puts him bang on 30 BMI which is the border between overweight and obese having said that Joe Biden is 6ft and 178 pounds ( 12 stone 10 ) that gives him a BMI of 24.1 looking at the 2 together I'd say the difference in weight is more than 4 and a half stones I thought that it was generally accepted that his height was exagerated to ensure his BMI didn't go over 30. I think the generally accepted story is that his height was exaggerated but also his weight was likely 'de-emphasised' as well. Of course I think it is also fair to say that he may in some ways look a bit more obese then he his, given that he wears adult diapers - allegedly, but I think that is probably also accepted as fact.
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Nov 28, 2024 8:25:23 GMT
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