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Post by overthehill on May 29, 2024 20:11:49 GMT
Time is running out if you haven't signed up to a group litigation yet.
I haven't been following it since I watched the documentary on VW so I spent 15 minutes catching up and signing someone up for their vauxhall, very straightforward took about an extra 5 minutes, just pick your preferred litigation company first.
Looks like the courts are favouring one big combined case. It seems the average payout could be between 2k and 5k depending on criteria I didn't investigate. Not certain but I don't think private purchases are eligible.
My car is not eligible so I'll need to rely on Axiafunder to get compensation for being poisoned with noxious gases just so a group of greedy executives could buy another property in Monaco.
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Post by aj on May 30, 2024 10:48:47 GMT
While automakers should absolutely be punished for their actions, it seems to me like the actual victim of this scandal is the environment. Large fines should be levied by governments and put towards environmental initiatives.
Individuals claiming they have suffered thousands of £'s worth of personal losses through owning these cars have a tough case IMHO; it looks like an opportunistic cash grab to me. People are signing up on the chance of 'free' cash, not in response to a genuine loss they have suffered.
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Post by mogish on May 30, 2024 12:07:18 GMT
I've an old honda civic 2.2ctdi 2010.
Is this part of dieselgate or only vw group and Vauxhall?
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Post by adrianc on Jun 1, 2024 6:55:52 GMT
There was no loss.
None of the makers did anything that was barred here.
VW did... in the US, where alternate maps for emissions test cycles were explicitly banned (unlike here), and the NOx limits for diesels were the same as for petrols (far stricter than here). The recall addressed that by putting that "test cycle" map live all the time. People didn't like that.
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Post by Ace on Jun 1, 2024 8:11:52 GMT
There was no loss. None of the makers did anything that was barred here. VW did... in the US, where alternate maps for emissions test cycles were explicitly banned (unlike here), and the NOx limits for diesels were the same as for petrols (far stricter than here). The recall addressed that by putting that "test cycle" map live all the time. People didn't like that. There was loss. The quoted fuel efficiency figures were a large part of my decision when choosing which car to buy. It turns out that the quoted figures were not achievable. I may well have chosen to buy a different car if all manufactures had been honest.
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Post by overthehill on Jun 1, 2024 11:25:40 GMT
I've an old honda civic 2.2ctdi 2010. Is this part of dieselgate or only vw group and Vauxhall?
Follow the links, put your reg in and it will tell you.
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Post by overthehill on Jun 1, 2024 11:42:59 GMT
There was no loss. None of the makers did anything that was barred here. VW did... in the US, where alternate maps for emissions test cycles were explicitly banned (unlike here), and the NOx limits for diesels were the same as for petrols (far stricter than here). The recall addressed that by putting that "test cycle" map live all the time. People didn't like that.
I thought fraud was barred in the UK.
NOx emission claims were unachievable in any practical way and therefore fraudulent. With any fraud there is always loss to other car makers, car buyers, environment and the general breathing public for which there has to be compensation in a law abiding country !
Volkswagen didn't fancy the odds.
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Post by james100 on Jun 1, 2024 12:30:16 GMT
This was an enormous deal for VW in Australia - biggest ever fine for consumer deception iirc and their brand, which had been very firmly positioned as trustworthy and premium, got utterly trashed overnight. They lost a class action too and then I think got hammered over negligent consumer financing processes affecting 50K loans. I sold a VW TDI the week before the scandal broke (purchased during the relevant period) and would definitely have got £££ less had I delayed...partly because VW were the only dieselgate cheaters who'd been caught yet!
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Post by keitha on Jun 1, 2024 17:37:22 GMT
on the cars topic a friend bought a car in 2020 on finance, he's been contacted by a no win no fee company ( I think he enquired online about it ) looking to make a claim for compensation for the miss selling IE where the dealership got a cut if they managed to get higher rate finance, this company has told him he can get between £10,000 and £20,000.
knowing he will only have paid £10-12,000 for the car then compensation of the value of the car seems ridiculous
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Post by adrianc on Jun 2, 2024 6:25:21 GMT
There was no loss. None of the makers did anything that was barred here. VW did... in the US, where alternate maps for emissions test cycles were explicitly banned (unlike here), and the NOx limits for diesels were the same as for petrols (far stricter than here). The recall addressed that by putting that "test cycle" map live all the time. People didn't like that. There was loss. The quoted fuel efficiency figures were a large part of my decision when choosing which car to buy. It turns out that the quoted figures were not achievable. I may well have chosen to buy a different car if all manufactures had been honest. It wasn't about fuel economy. It was about NOx. They are not the same, and nobody has ever suggested the "cheat modes" were to make the cars more economical. If the world wanted more economical cars, nobody would be buying huge fat pseudo-off-roaders.
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Post by Ace on Jun 2, 2024 7:43:00 GMT
There was loss. The quoted fuel efficiency figures were a large part of my decision when choosing which car to buy. It turns out that the quoted figures were not achievable. I may well have chosen to buy a different car if all manufactures had been honest. It wasn't about fuel economy. It was about NOx. They are not the same, and nobody has ever suggested the "cheat modes" were to make the cars more economical. If the world wanted more economical cars, nobody would be buying huge fat pseudo-off-roaders. Quoting from the MSE article on diesel claims ( here): Also, diesel engines are used in perfectly ordinary saloon cars (mine is a Ford Focus). They are not all "huge fat pseudo-off-roaders".
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Post by agent69 on Jun 2, 2024 8:42:13 GMT
Quoting from the MSE article on diesel claims ( here): Also, diesel engines are used in perfectly ordinary saloon cars ( mine is a Ford Focus). They are not all "huge fat pseudo-off-roaders". I've got one of these. 2.0l diesel engine, goes like sh*t off a shovel (as they say).
Must admit I'm struggling to understand the howls of protest from people who purchased these cars. They perform as advertised, other than higher emissions. I don't see why anyone other than a member of the Green party would care about that. I don't see why it should affect the resale value by any great degree.
Speaking of the Green party, I see their manifesto will include:
- reducing speed limits on motorways to 55mph (hands up all those who were around in 1973 and can remember the 50mph limit)
- a limit on the noise that fireworks can make
- a ban on greyhounds running around oval tracke (apparently they get stressed out when the realise that after 4 laps they are back where they started)
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Post by adrianc on Jun 2, 2024 20:32:37 GMT
It wasn't about fuel economy. It was about NOx. They are not the same, and nobody has ever suggested the "cheat modes" were to make the cars more economical. If the world wanted more economical cars, nobody would be buying huge fat pseudo-off-roaders. Quoting from the MSE article on diesel claims ( here): Exactly. The fix was putting it in the low-NOx emission-test mode all the time. The one that it's being argued it should have already been in all the time... No, but that's what people actually go and buy...
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Post by michaelc on Jun 2, 2024 20:44:35 GMT
I was very happy about this scandal as it got me more than 4 grand off my car (an Audi) that I'd bought new a few years ago. Leigh Day actually asked for a heck of a lot of time consuming detail but probably no more than an hour admin in total so well worth it.
Oh, funny thing is we're all under NDA not to talk about it. If my name was Donald or Stormy it would be called hush money and I'd be up for a 20 year sentence.
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Post by Ace on Jun 2, 2024 21:05:48 GMT
Quoting from the MSE article on diesel claims ( here): Exactly. The fix was putting it in the low-NOx emission-test mode all the time. The one that it's being argued it should have already been in all the time... Exactly. And thus the quoted efficiency figures could not be achieved. I have no idea what you mean here. You appear to be suggesting that no ordinary (non-"huge fat pseudo-off-roaders") have been sold, but I must have misunderstood, as that is obviously not the case.
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