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Post by agent69 on Jun 8, 2024 9:09:34 GMT
I don't get it. If Dark Forces wanted to poison mankind, there are easier ways to do it. And what would their evil plan be? Taking any medicine carries some risk and the more people that take it the more people will suffer the more extreme side affects. People have died and have suffered enormously due to a bad reaction to the different covid vaccines. Just being alive carries a risk. A tiny number of people have died from various vaccines, in the same way that people die from eating peanuts, drinking milk or sitting on the couch watching the telly (while Pan Am 103 lands in your living room).
Lots of people have phobias, an excessive and irrational fear of something. That's all that anti-vaxers have, an irrational fear that taking the vaccine will cause some horrendous side effect. They don't need publicity, they just need psychiatric help.
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Post by overthehill on Jun 8, 2024 11:07:48 GMT
with regard to blood clotting and covid vaccines: one needs to also keep in mind that blood clotting was/can be an outcome from having Covid itself.
Also, if you listen to or read the link, the expert said they don't know for sure yet why 1:10000 people got blood clots but there is growing evidence that the antibodies produced in response to the covid vaccine attached to different proteins on platelet cells causing a clumping effect.
Producing antibodies is a natural process to any pathogen and blood clots are not exactly uncommon. Was it even the same covid-19 antibodies that were attaching to a different protein on the platelet cells. If not, this type of reaction due to non-covid-19 antibodies being produced by the covid-19 vaccine might happen with any other natural immune response.
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Post by michaelc on Jun 8, 2024 13:04:31 GMT
Taking any medicine carries some risk and the more people that take it the more people will suffer the more extreme side affects. People have died and have suffered enormously due to a bad reaction to the different covid vaccines. Just being alive carries a risk. A tiny number of people have died from various vaccines, in the same way that people die from eating peanuts, drinking milk or sitting on the couch watching the telly (while Pan Am 103 lands in your living room).
Lots of people have phobias, an excessive and irrational fear of something. That's all that anti-vaxers have, an irrational fear that taking the vaccine will cause some horrendous side effect. They don't need publicity, they just need psychiatric help.
I used to believe that (and still do to a large extent) until they starting wanting to vaccinate children against a disease that all but doesn't/didn't affect them. The fact that some elderly members of this forum have referred to children simply as "disease vectors" shows it is likely a significant view also held by elderly decision makers.
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Post by captainconfident on Jun 8, 2024 13:24:29 GMT
Here's the facts about the astrazeneca covid-19 vaccine, and possibly the case for all the vaccines made using the same method. 1 in 10000 people got blood clots which is very serious. Not sure if outcomes have been published.
Aha! Even if this 1:10 000 figure is correct, its the same as taking an aspirin. Here is a good article unrelated to covid vaccines. And not by scientists, as we know they can't be trusted. But what about statisticians? www.reuters.com/article/us-risks-idUSN0737156120070509/
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Post by agent69 on Jun 8, 2024 14:38:26 GMT
Just being alive carries a risk. A tiny number of people have died from various vaccines, in the same way that people die from eating peanuts, drinking milk or sitting on the couch watching the telly (while Pan Am 103 lands in your living room).
Lots of people have phobias, an excessive and irrational fear of something. That's all that anti-vaxers have, an irrational fear that taking the vaccine will cause some horrendous side effect. They don't need publicity, they just need psychiatric help.
I used to believe that (and still do to a large extent) until they starting wanting to vaccinate children against a disease that all but doesn't/didn't affect them. The fact that some elderly members of this forum have referred to children simply as "disease vectors" shows it is likely a significant view also held by elderly decision makers. So you believe that the forcible quarantining of Mary Mallon was wrong?
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Post by rscal on Jun 8, 2024 16:18:45 GMT
I used to believe that (and still do to a large extent) until they starting wanting to vaccinate children against a disease that all but doesn't/didn't affect them. The fact that some elderly members of this forum have referred to children simply as "disease vectors" shows it is likely a significant view also held by elderly decision makers. So you believe that the forcible quarantining of Mary Mallon was wrong? 'Typhoid Mary'? The whole theory of contagion is looking increasiningly shonky these days. News has emerged of two separate U.S. government experiments in 1918 that exposed healthy volunteers directly to Spanish flu patients in hospital which could not produce one case of illness in the volunteers. It couldn't be done even with the dying. What does this tell you about the likelihood of asymptomatic carriers of infection?
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 8, 2024 17:57:27 GMT
So you believe that the forcible quarantining of Mary Mallon was wrong? 'Typhoid Mary'? The whole theory of contagion is looking increasiningly shonky these days. News has emerged of two separate U.S. government experiments in 1918 that exposed healthy volunteers directly to Spanish flu patients in hospital which could not produce one case of illness in the volunteers. It couldn't be done even with the dying. What does this tell you about the likelihood of asymptomatic carriers of infection? <groan> Sources ? I mean proper sources. Or actually any sources so people can then critically analyse the reliability/credibility of those sources. So basically you subscribe to a theory that disease cannot be transmitted from person to person. Nor animal to animal. Either directly or indirectly. Do I have that right ?
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Post by captainconfident on Jun 8, 2024 18:06:47 GMT
'Typhoid Mary'? The whole theory of contagion is looking increasiningly shonky these days. News has emerged of two separate U.S. government experiments in 1918 that exposed healthy volunteers directly to Spanish flu patients in hospital which could not produce one case of illness in the volunteers. It couldn't be done even with the dying. What does this tell you about the likelihood of asymptomatic carriers of infection? <groan> Sources ? I mean proper sources. Or actually any sources so people can then critically analyse the reliability/credibility of those sources. So basically you subscribe to a theory that disease cannot be transmitted from person to person. Nor animal to animal. Either directly or indirectly. Do I have that right ? Yeah "news has emerged" made me laugh.
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Post by crabbyoldgit on Jun 8, 2024 20:13:01 GMT
The biggest science deniers are thank God , scientists. A theory for true scientist is simply a story that describes all the known observable facts in nature and makes predictions of tests that can be made to test predicted outcomes which would satisfy the theory in the future not yet made. The failure of a test that proves the existing theory wrong is not a failure to be feared but an opportunity to describe nature in a more accurate way with a modified or new story of the universe we see.
Of course scientists are human and get attached to the existing story and history is full of inconvenient test outcomes which were observed and then ignored or dismissed as operater error.
I am a bit obsessed with books on quantum theory and the history and future of the universe, most of which I barely understand, but then common sense it is not , nearest to magic than the kind of physics as an engineer I was taught and grew up with. Particals popping in and out of existence from nothing as a common place occurrence , energy in nothing.But if it's all rubbish and wrong it does not matter a jolt. It describes the universe we see now and the numbers add up so we must be one step closer to the truth and it enables us to progress as a species.
What pulls my chain with the anti vaccine people is they take random stories and attach universal truth to them, vaccines were never presented as a perfect cure , infact the covid jab only reduced the odds of bad outcomes and never promised that odd individuals may not be harmed or die as a result of its use. But over all it saved thousands of lives and countless long term damage to people. Sorry golden arrows do not exist in medical cures and never will. I had blood poisoning , antibiotics saved my life, they could have killed me it's an odds game and with antibiotics the odds were stacked in my favour, I am very grateful.
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