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Post by captainconfident on Sept 30, 2024 21:21:43 GMT
Some may see them as different 'religions', though I don't really understand that: it is a matter of fact that Catholicism is a branch of Christianity, not a separate religion, and Catholicism as an identifiable branch arose from the Great Schism resulting in 'it' and the Eastern Orthodox branch. Subsequent schisms naturally resulted in other branches. But they are all part of Christianity. Of course, like all the best families, it hasn't stopped them hating each others guts for >1000 years, almost more than they hate members of different families. Although to be fair they have tended to go a bit further than most families do, what with pogroms, burning 'the others' at the stake, alliances to wage wars on alliances of the 'other' side of the family etc. etc. I have been reading The Popish Plot by Kenyon. Its about the anti Catholic pogroms in the reign of Charles II. Boy they were brutal, this is what those Priest Holes were all about. A few were lucky, they were hanged until they were dead as a special treat rather than being cut down alive and disembowelled, head and todger cut off, hacked into four pieces. Tis the punishment that pleaseth god. Anyway, Titus Oates, Israel Tongue, these horrible people got their comeuppences in the end. Recommended read. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popish_PlotBook for a fiver:- www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31747303453www.ebay.co.uk/itm/315084174580?_skw=The+Popish+Plot+Kenyon%2C+John&hash=item495c7af4f4%3Ag%3A1sEAAOSw929lnO3%7E&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338304675&customid=&toolid=10049
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 1, 2024 8:08:55 GMT
Some may see them as different 'religions', though I don't really understand that: it is a matter of fact that Catholicism is a branch of Christianity, not a separate religion, and Catholicism as an identifiable branch arose from the Great Schism resulting in 'it' and the Eastern Orthodox branch. Subsequent schisms naturally resulted in other branches. But they are all part of Christianity. Of course, like all the best families, it hasn't stopped them hating each others guts for >1000 years, almost more than they hate members of different families. Although to be fair they have tended to go a bit further than most families do, what with pogroms, burning 'the others' at the stake, alliances to wage wars on alliances of the 'other' side of the family etc. etc. I have been reading The Popish Plot by Kenyon. Its about the anti Catholic pogroms in the reign of Charles II. Boy they were brutal, this is what those Priest Holes were all about. A few were lucky, they were hanged until they were dead as a special treat rather than being cut down alive and disembowelled, head and todger cut off, hacked into four pieces. Tis the punishment that pleaseth god. Anyway, Titus Oates, Israel Tongue, these horrible people got their comeuppences in the end. Recommended read. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popish_PlotBook for a fiver:- www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31747303453www.ebay.co.uk/itm/315084174580?_skw=The+Popish+Plot+Kenyon%2C+John&hash=item495c7af4f4%3Ag%3A1sEAAOSw929lnO3%7E&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338304675&customid=&toolid=10049Short drop hanging vs long drop hanging. Just to ensure you "enjoy" the full pleasure of watching yourself be disembowlled and your entrails burnt in front of you. After having had your genitals cut off. Humans eh.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 1, 2024 8:23:40 GMT
I have been reading The Popish Plot by Kenyon. Its about the anti Catholic pogroms in the reign of Charles II. Boy they were brutal, this is what those Priest Holes were all about. A few were lucky, they were hanged until they were dead as a special treat rather than being cut down alive and disembowelled, head and todger cut off, hacked into four pieces. Tis the punishment that pleaseth god. Anyway, Titus Oates, Israel Tongue, these horrible people got their comeuppences in the end. Recommended read. Short drop hanging vs long drop hanging. Just to ensure you "enjoy" the full pleasure of watching yourself be disembowlled and your entrails burnt in front of you. After having had your genitals cut off. Humans eh. ...and all over whose side you took in a divorce 100+ years earlier.
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Post by captainconfident on Oct 1, 2024 10:03:25 GMT
Short drop hanging vs long drop hanging. Just to ensure you "enjoy" the full pleasure of watching yourself be disembowlled and your entrails burnt in front of you. After having had your genitals cut off. Humans eh. ...and all over whose side you took in a divorce 100+ years earlier. Nonny nonny nay, not just that. There is a statement from Chief Justice Scroggs where he rants that God protestant is certainly gravely mocked by those who would eat him up and drink his blood. "they eat their God, they kill their King, and saint the murderer!" What is interesting is that during this fiasco, where it was necessary to find two witnesses before anyone could be tried for treason, a second witness reliably turned up, either a degenerate or someone in debt to the accused or set to benefit from their estate. And at the suggestion of a Catholic plot involving armed uprising, a report from the country that at night someone had seen "Black Riders" and suddenly all over the country people saw and heard Black Riders, like the craze for alien abduction reports around the time of the X-Files.
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Post by ethel on Oct 1, 2024 11:54:52 GMT
JW has a strict rule, excommunication. They cannot be seen hanging out together or even talk sometimes with other Christian faiths, except with the intention to convert them as JW. You won’t see JW going to any Christmas / birthday parties. True in parts (they call it disfellowship). They don't celebrate Christmas (it stems from the pagan festival of Saturnalia, plus they prefer to worship their god Jehovah above his son Jesus) and birthdays make the subject too much the centre of attention, which they prefer to avoid. Hank Marvin of the Shadows is a devout JW. He certainly hung around with others, including the non-JW Cliff Richard, as we all know. For several years, before he emigrated to Australia, Hank was in the same congregation as my late mother, who also got baptised into the JW faith. I met Hank and his wife Carole many times as a lad and remember him as a pleasant and really humble man. Absolutely no celebrity airs & graces about him. My mother had plenty of non-JW friends. The organisation simply asked that you lead a decent life by example and attempt to spread the message. It's fair to say having non-JW friends was perhaps frowned upon at times, but never grounds for anyone being disfellowshipped that I was ever aware of. Consequently, I was brought up with no birthdays or Christmas from the age of 12 or so (I felt so sorry for my younger sisters), and, once I was old enough, decided the JW thing wasn't for me. The glaring dichotomy that we weren't allowed birthdays because the individual wasn't supposed to be in the limelight, while Hank could strut his stuff on the stage to millions of adoring fans, was just one amongst many concerns I had back then. Fortunately all in the distant past - I'm going back 50+ years here! This "no fraternising" policy seems to be a embraced by the more "fundamental" sects, such as Plymouth Brethren and Amish. Nobody has mentioned the good old Church of England, which I wouldn't classify as Protestant, as it encompasses Anglo-Catholicism, which in some churches is more Catholic than some Catholic churches. Protestants are yer Non-Conformists - Methodist, Presbyterian, Congregational, Unitarians, and once upon a time Puritans, who I think died out in the 18th century.
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Post by ethel on Oct 1, 2024 11:58:56 GMT
You could even argue Allah is the same God as in Christianity. I suppose you don’t read about Adam, Moses in the islamic texts. There's no argument. Three stops on the Abrahamic timeline. Judaism -> Christianity -> Islam. All three broadly agree on the Old Testament. It's down to which of the two other major prophets you go with, Jesus and Muhammed, as to where you get off the timeline. Jesus alone? Christianity. Both? Islam. The main difference is that Jesus is a Prophet in Islam, second only to Muhammed (blessings be upon him) whereas Christians regard Jesus as yer actual Son Of God, which is blasphemous to both Jews and Muslims I do believe.
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 1, 2024 12:40:51 GMT
There's no argument. Three stops on the Abrahamic timeline. Judaism -> Christianity -> Islam. All three broadly agree on the Old Testament. It's down to which of the two other major prophets you go with, Jesus and Muhammed, as to where you get off the timeline. Jesus alone? Christianity. Both? Islam. The main difference is that Jesus is a Prophet in Islam, second only to Muhammed (blessings be upon him) whereas Christians regard Jesus as yer actual Son Of God, which is blasphemous to both Jews and Muslims I do believe.But the Qur'an teaches Muslims to be respectful of both Christians and Jews, which I can't quite square with them seeing their core belief as blasphemous. However, maybe it is only blasphemous for a Muslim to view Jesus as SoG. Which might also align with Islam's rejection of conversion. IIUC
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Post by michaelc on Oct 1, 2024 13:26:35 GMT
The main difference is that Jesus is a Prophet in Islam, second only to Muhammed (blessings be upon him) whereas Christians regard Jesus as yer actual Son Of God, which is blasphemous to both Jews and Muslims I do believe.But the Qur'an teaches Muslims to be respectful of both Christians and Jews, which I can't quite square with them seeing their core belief as blasphemous. However, maybe it is only blasphemous for a Muslim to view Jesus as SoG. Which might also align with Islam's rejection of conversion. IIUC Which is the religion where you can't mention the main man without also praying that he is super well and blessed ? Or maybe it was mentioned already... ?
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Post by jonno on Oct 1, 2024 13:33:34 GMT
But the Qur'an teaches Muslims to be respectful of both Christians and Jews, which I can't quite square with them seeing their core belief as blasphemous. However, maybe it is only blasphemous for a Muslim to view Jesus as SoG. Which might also align with Islam's rejection of conversion. IIUC Which is the religion where you can't mention the main man without also praying that he is super well and blessed ? Or maybe it was mentioned already... ? I think that's Man Utd 
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Post by ethel on Oct 1, 2024 16:48:53 GMT
Which is the religion where you can't mention the main man without also praying that he is super well and blessed ? Or maybe it was mentioned already... ? I think that's Man Utd Jonno makes a good point, all joking aside. Religion has given away to other obsessions in the West, football being one of them. Much as I find the subject of religion fascinating, I'm very glad I live in a secular society.
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Post by travolta on Oct 2, 2024 17:53:43 GMT
An older colleague from teaching days died earlier this year .  A Jehovah's Witness,he refused all medical treatment |
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 3, 2024 0:31:06 GMT
An older colleague from teaching days died earlier this year . A Jehovah's Witness,he refused all medical treatment Sorry to hear that  . JWs normally accept medical treatment, with the exception of transfused blood. Perhaps it was blood-related, but..... before succumbing to her cancer, my JW mother declined radiology treatment, but for reasons nothing to do with her faith. Refusing further medical intervention at a certain point is perhaps more common than we imagine, irrespective of religion. Either way, condolences.
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Post by ethel on Oct 3, 2024 11:28:35 GMT
An older colleague from teaching days died earlier this year . A Jehovah's Witness,he refused all medical treatment Requiescat in pace.
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Post by travolta on Oct 3, 2024 14:40:01 GMT
Thats very kind of you'all.
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A Jehovah's Witness,he refused all medical treatment 
. JWs normally accept medical treatment, with the exception of transfused blood. Perhaps it was blood-related, but..... before succumbing to her cancer, my JW mother declined radiology treatment, but for reasons nothing to do with her faith. Refusing further medical intervention at a certain point is perhaps more common than we imagine, irrespective of religion. Either way, condolences.