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Post by pepperpot on Jul 11, 2014 15:46:34 GMT
I've just fixed a bug in the code that was supposed to delist loan units from sale. It was delisting them, just slowly at a rate determined by your balance which was clearly erroneous. Should be all fixed now. I had no idea that code was even in place as I've never detected anything being de-listed, ever. So to be clear, if I set my mandate = to my current holding, anything up for sale will be de-listed? Edit: Yes it does, thanks chris
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Post by chris on Jul 11, 2014 15:59:58 GMT
I've just fixed a bug in the code that was supposed to delist loan units from sale. It was delisting them, just slowly at a rate determined by your balance which was clearly erroneous. Should be all fixed now. I had no idea that code was even in place as I've never detected anything being de-listed, ever. So to be clear, if I set my mandate = to my current holding, anything up for sale will be de-listed? Edit: Yes it does, thanks chris For clarity it works with anything in between as well, so you can partially delist and AI will do so as best it can.
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Jul 11, 2014 20:24:18 GMT
It's great the de-listing bug is now sorted, the other thing to bear in mind you have to be penny perfect when you want it to de-list something. I set an AI to £195.00-not good enough, I set it to £195.16 then it delisted. Or slightly over.
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Post by j on Jul 15, 2014 20:05:03 GMT
Some Bur***y & Cumb***a turbine units now available + Liv****l bridge loan
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Post by mikes1531 on Jul 15, 2014 22:26:30 GMT
Some Bur***y & Cumb***a turbine units now available + Liv****l bridge loan The first still has some units available, but the other two have gone. I find it somewhat interesting that the last loan has lost its prominent notice regarding recent developments. Perhaps that's quite appropriate as the loan is now officially up to date.
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Post by j on Jul 18, 2014 16:27:20 GMT
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Post by mikes1531 on Jul 20, 2014 19:29:07 GMT
I have put some units of Anglesey up for sale. I had intended to keep them until maturity and use the proceeds towards my tax bill due at the end of the month, but AC have indicated that the refinance looks likely to take a bit longer than initially expected, and thus might not be drawn down in time for that, so I've decided to sell some of my units now, particularly as I expect the units will become unmarketable very shortly due to the expected failure to pay on time.
The payment was due today. Does that mean they become ineligible for listing on the Aftermarket at midnight tonight? Or not for a further 24 hours because a payment due on a Sunday would be expected to be paid on the Monday in any case?
This could be an opportunity for someone looking for a short-term investment. The rate on the loan is 18% now, and I don't know whether it might be even higher if the refinance is delayed by more than an additional week. Of course, if the whole refinance deal goes pear-shaped then it would be even longer before the AC loan is paid off. AC seem confident the refinance will happen, and even if it fell apart completely and AC had to liquidate the security there should be no problem with recovery -- except for the uncertain timing, of course -- because the loan was taken out to cover the cost of a major refurbishment and, as AC said on 19/Jun at the time of the one-month loan extension... This is, of course, JMHO. Before buying any units in this loan, please make your own judgement as to whether they are an appropriate investment for you.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jul 21, 2014 1:39:48 GMT
The payment was due today. Does that mean they become ineligible for listing on the Aftermarket at midnight tonight? Or not for a further 24 hours because a payment due on a Sunday would be expected to be paid on the Monday in any case? I can answer my own question now because it is past midnight... If a loan payment was due at the weekend, and it hasn't been paid in advance, then the loan units cannot be sold at 0001 on Monday morning. In this case, the problem isn't the borrower's, it's AC's. When the loan was extended for the extra month -- from 20/Jun to 20/Jul -- AC said... ... so AC have the interest payment already but simply have failed to credit it to the loan account early enough to stop the loan units from becoming unmarketable. I presume the interest payment will be credited later today and the units will become marketable again. Or perhaps not, because the payment due on 20/Jul was both interest and principal, and the principal part of the payment can't be made until the loan is refinanced -- but I do hope AC will distribute the interest they're holding.
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Jul 21, 2014 14:02:33 GMT
In this case, the problem isn't the borrower's, it's AC's. When the loan was extended for the extra month -- from 20/Jun to 20/Jul -- AC said... ... so AC have the interest payment already but simply have failed to credit it to the loan account early enough to stop the loan units from becoming unmarketable. I presume the interest payment will be credited later today and the units will become marketable again. Or perhaps not, because the payment due on 20/Jul was both interest and principal, and the principal part of the payment can't be made until the loan is refinanced -- but I do hope AC will distribute the interest they're holding. I remember reading that quote myself but I took it to mean they were trying to get that to be the state of affairs for this loan, I didn't take it as a statement of how things really were. It's in something like Lawyerese (Lawyer Speak). I can't find where that quote is on AC, it was clearly one of the troubled loans tho'. <snip> This could be an opportunity for someone looking for a short-term investment. The rate on the loan is 18% now, and I don't know whether it might be even higher if the refinance is delayed by more than an additional week. The rate on the loan is 18% now, ... I think each contract has a default rate, but at just one level and these loans are now on it.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jul 21, 2014 15:49:06 GMT
I remember reading that quote myself but I took it to mean they were trying to get that to be the state of affairs for this loan, I didn't take it as a statement of how things really were. It's in something like Lawyerese (Lawyer Speak). I can't find where that quote is on AC, it was clearly one of the troubled loans tho'. The quote came out of AC's Lender Update 19 June 2014 -- the link probably will work only if you're logged in the the AC website -- and I also have a copy of it attached to an email from davidricketts1 that I received at 1638 on 19/Jun. There's a link to it on the Documents tab of the current Ang***** loan. On other occasions, IIRC, AC have stated they've asked the borrower to put them in funds for some reason or other. In this case they said "arranged", so I took that to mean it had been done. Perhaps I was wearing my rose-tinted spectacles at the time.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jul 21, 2014 16:43:39 GMT
Some decent drops in the amount on offer in a number of loans today such a Ha**ney, Ip***ch and Ep**ng. It's very hard to know how much of what is on offer is real and how much is just a function of sellers trying to maximize their weight in the loan queue (i.e you have 100k of a loan, you want to sell 50k but you put 100k on sale until you get down toward the 50k target). I know I've been doing that with all the above three (successfully with Ha**ney and Ep**ng but with little success on Ip***ch) though not in quite the sizes above! I've been doing similar, and I've had a bit of success with Ep**ng and Ip***ch -- mostly today -- but very little at Ha**ney. I'd even go so far as to suggest that very little Ha**ney is being bought.
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Post by kermie on Jul 21, 2014 20:24:05 GMT
I have had quite a bit of luck selling down H****y - but it's fairly hit and miss, fits and starts. Did you manage to get your Ang*** parts sold off, mikes1531, or were they taken off the SM at midnight? I had a look and was tempted - security seemed fine to me, and I'd have taken a few if there had been longer to run - but at a potentially very short time-frame it didn't seem worth it to me for the pennies. On the other bridging loans coming to an end soon, I am fairly content to hold on to the end - in fact for most of them I'd be quite content (perversely) to see them default since I'm fairly happy with the security at the moment...and the uplift in rate is nice. I may come to regret being so cavalier!
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Post by mikes1531 on Jul 22, 2014 0:48:51 GMT
I have had quite a bit of luck selling down H****y - but it's fairly hit and miss, fits and starts. Did you manage to get your Ang*** parts sold off, mikes1531, or were they taken off the SM at midnight? I had a look and was tempted - security seemed fine to me, and I'd have taken a few if there had been longer to run - but at a potentially very short time-frame it didn't seem worth it to me for the pennies. On the other bridging loans coming to an end soon, I am fairly content to hold on to the end - in fact for most of them I'd be quite content (perversely) to see them default since I'm fairly happy with the security at the moment...and the uplift in rate is nice. I may come to regret being so cavalier! I did manage to sell a good portion of my Ang*** units before they became unsaleable on Monday morning. I feel comfortable enough with the security, so as long as it does get paid off eventually I'll be happy, especially as I've now raised enough to cover my tax bills due at the end of next week. Good as the current return is, however, I can see advantage in getting out early so as to be able to redeploy my funds before £875k comes back to lenders at maturity. With so much available in the Aftermarket at the moment, it's probably not an issue, but the three loans of about £2M each that are maturing in Aug/Sep have the potential to distort things for a while. It will be interesting to see how that all works out.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jul 22, 2014 17:37:08 GMT
Further to the above discussion, I can report that I finally got lucky, as a chunk of the Ha***** units that I had for sale found a new home this afternoon.
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Post by agent69 on Jul 22, 2014 17:37:37 GMT
Is it my imagination or has £400k disappeared from the care home loan in the last 24hrs?
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