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Post by chielamangus on Apr 7, 2015 16:07:08 GMT
I assume it's just a temporary quirk - or has somebody really splurged on every available loan?
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Post by davee39 on Apr 7, 2015 16:55:55 GMT
I have been watching as the aftermarket volumes slowly increase.
I have it on good authority that the loan parts have been taken away to be washed and ironed so they can be represented as new, in lieu of any fresh deals coming forward.
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Post by trevor on Apr 7, 2015 18:10:35 GMT
Aftermarket has returned!
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Post by faraday815 on Apr 10, 2015 16:18:06 GMT
First post from a newbie who has just begun researching p2p investments.
I deposited a nominal amount into the green energy account of AssetzCapital. Where can I find the aftermarket?
Thanks!
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Post by bigfoot12 on Apr 10, 2015 16:50:47 GMT
Welcome faraday815, To answer you question you find the after market by clicking on the drop down 'Loan Book' and selecting 'Browse Loans'. For each loan you see you can set a target. This will be bought if you have money in your manual account and if some comes up for sale. If on the Browse Loans page you select Units Available you will see only those loans which currently have units for sale. Having answered your question I want to make sure that you realise that the Green Account is automatic. The purchases and sales happen automatically.
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Post by ramblin rose on Apr 11, 2015 9:38:58 GMT
First post from a newbie who has just begun researching p2p investments. I deposited a nominal amount into the green energy account of AssetzCapital. Where can I find the aftermarket? Thanks! Hi faraday815; there is only aftermarket with AC. The loans are first filled by underwriters behind the scenes and then when the loan is drawn down by the borrower the underwriters release some or all of their holdings on the the aftermarket. You can see upcoming loans that haven't drawn down yet by using the relevant filters in loan lists. The same process is then used by retail lenders to sell some or all of their holdings. So, as bigfoot12 has said, you set a target for any loan that you want some of, whether there is currently anything for sale or not, and then when some gets sold you will probably get some of it - popular loans have any new availability shared out between would-be buyers and sometimes if the amounts are too small you could miss out. This process is all automatic, so when there is high demand against a loan you'll never see any of it available for sale, although there could be a lot of buying and selling going on behind the scenes. HTH
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Post by jjc on Apr 11, 2015 10:38:37 GMT
Welcome arjwiz. A thought for AC ( andrewholgate, chris) to add to ramblin rose’s good - & quite essential for any bemused new lender who comes on & tries to understand what he can actually invest in.. - comments would it not be an idea for AC to include a “Volume traded on AM last (say) 30 (or 60/90) days” counter next to each loan? ie Highlighting to new lenders the fact that there is actually trading going on behind the scenes that they could play a part in. AC’s platform as it stands now looks rather static to an untrained new lender’s eyes (& no I didn’t even whisper deal flow)
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Post by faraday815 on Apr 12, 2015 9:51:46 GMT
Thanks for the comments, bigfoot12 ramblin rose - that was indeed very helpful. While I did know that the Green Account purchases loans automatically, I did not know that it also sells automatically. So, to clarify - If I have £100 currently invested into the green account, and I wish to sell this entire part, all I need to do is to click on the "Adjust Investment" button and "reduce my investment" by £100 - and the loan part will sell if and when someone invests? And I suppose selling my investment on the Manual Account works the same - I "reduce my investment" and it will sell on priority (ahead of unsold stakes) when someone invests into that account? Thirdly, am I right in assuming that as long as there is a buyer, AssetzCapital charges no fee for selling before term? I wish all these terms were clearer on the FAQs and help section of AC. But the support on this forum is great.
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Post by davee39 on Apr 12, 2015 10:12:45 GMT
I think you are correct on points 1 and 3. The green account looks like its pretty much instant access.
With the manual account, if there are no parts already showing for sale, you can expect to sell fairly quickly because there is likely to already be targeted demand. Where there is a substantial availability I think sales are given a smaller chance of being processed, with priority given to the underwriters who are attempting to clear the bulk of their holdings.
I have managed to buy holdings in all the loans I wanted which show zero availability merely by setting a target and leaving funds available in the account. This 'secret' was not explained on the website but by other posters on this forum. I think a clear 'how it works' section is needed on the AC site.
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Post by bigfoot12 on Apr 12, 2015 10:13:35 GMT
Thanks for the comments, bigfoot12 ramblin rose - that was indeed very helpful. While I did know that the Green Account purchases loans automatically, I did not know that it also sells automatically. So, to clarify - If I have £100 currently invested into the green account, and I wish to sell this entire part, all I need to do is to click on the "Adjust Investment" button and "reduce my investment" by £100 - and the loan part will sell if and when someone invests? And I suppose selling my investment on the Manual Account works the same - I "reduce my investment" and it will sell on priority (ahead of unsold stakes) when someone invests into that account? Thirdly, am I right in assuming that as long as there is a buyer, AssetzCapital charges no fee for selling before term? I wish all these terms were clearer on the FAQs and help section of AC. But the support on this forum is great. I agree that the FAQs could be better, but AC are normally very good if you phone them (during normal weekday hours), worth remembering if you get stuck. There are no fees for selling or buying and all transactions happen 'at par' (no seller discount or premium) at the moment. I don't have a Green Account but I think that yes if you reduce investment it will try to sell your loans for you. I would suggest that the older your account the quicker it will sell, as if you hold older investments these are less likely to be generally available and might be in demand. (Unless one of them is in some sort of default.) If you reduce your investment in manual account it doesn't work the same way any more. I think that you also need to reduce each individual loan target (below your current holding) to get a sale. I don't think there is a priority you join the general selling pool. Reducing your investment transfers money from that account back to your cash account, and will continue to do so until the target is met. So that when loans are sold the proceeds will be transferred. Also remember as well as permanent defaults there are other actions which cause loans being suspended from sale for a period of time. Similarly P2P is growing fast at the moment and there is likely to be a buyer along soon but that might not always be the case. I wouldn't want to invest in these loans on the expectation that I can sell quickly. Crossed with davee39
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Post by chielamangus on Apr 12, 2015 11:23:08 GMT
...... Reducing your investment transfers money from that account back to your cash account, and will continue to do so until the target is met. So that when loans are sold the proceeds will be transferred.
Crossed with davee39This certainly does not happen with me. When I reduce my target and sell something, the money stays in the Manual Investment account and is usually very quickly invested in something else where my target is higher than my holding. This was the idea of the automated system - saves the investor from hovering over the computer waiting for some loan part to appear. I thought there had to be a specific deliberate transfer from the Manual to the Cash account. That is how mine works.
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Post by acorn on Apr 12, 2015 12:05:34 GMT
...... Reducing your investment transfers money from that account back to your cash account, and will continue to do so until the target is met. So that when loans are sold the proceeds will be transferred.
Crossed with davee39This certainly does not happen with me. When I reduce my target and sell something, the money stays in the Manual Investment account and is usually very quickly invested in something else where my target is higher than my holding. This was the idea of the automated system - saves the investor from hovering over the computer waiting for some loan part to appear. I thought there had to be a specific deliberate transfer from the Manual to the Cash account. That is how mine works. It depends which option you have selected for "on repayment".
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Post by oldnick on Apr 12, 2015 13:23:29 GMT
Welcome arjwiz. A thought for AC ( andrewholgate, chris) to add to ramblin rose’s good - & quite essential for any bemused new lender who comes on & tries to understand what he can actually invest in.. - comments would it not be an idea for AC to include a “Volume traded on AM last (say) 30 (or 60/90) days” counter next to each loan? ie Highlighting to new lenders the fact that there is actually trading going on behind the scenes that they could play a part in. AC’s platform as it stands now looks rather static to an untrained new lender’s eyes (& no I didn’t even whisper deal flow) or perhaps a 'total demand for this loan' figure, when none is available, to indicate the likely speed of loan parts being bought or sold.
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Post by faraday815 on Apr 12, 2015 15:04:37 GMT
Thanks for the comments, bigfoot12 ramblin rose - that was indeed very helpful. While I did know that the Green Account purchases loans automatically, I did not know that it also sells automatically. So, to clarify - If I have £100 currently invested into the green account, and I wish to sell this entire part, all I need to do is to click on the "Adjust Investment" button and "reduce my investment" by £100 - and the loan part will sell if and when someone invests? And I suppose selling my investment on the Manual Account works the same - I "reduce my investment" and it will sell on priority (ahead of unsold stakes) when someone invests into that account? Thirdly, am I right in assuming that as long as there is a buyer, AssetzCapital charges no fee for selling before term? I wish all these terms were clearer on the FAQs and help section of AC. But the support on this forum is great. I agree that the FAQs could be better, but AC are normally very good if you phone them (during normal weekday hours), worth remembering if you get stuck. There are no fees for selling or buying and all transactions happen 'at par' (no seller discount or premium) at the moment. I don't have a Green Account but I think that yes if you reduce investment it will try to sell your loans for you. I would suggest that the older your account the quicker it will sell, as if you hold older investments these are less likely to be generally available and might be in demand. (Unless one of them is in some sort of default.) If you reduce your investment in manual account it doesn't work the same way any more. I think that you also need to reduce each individual loan target (below your current holding) to get a sale. I don't think there is a priority you join the general selling pool. Reducing your investment transfers money from that account back to your cash account, and will continue to do so until the target is met. So that when loans are sold the proceeds will be transferred. Also remember as well as permanent defaults there are other actions which cause loans being suspended from sale for a period of time. Similarly P2P is growing fast at the moment and there is likely to be a buyer along soon but that might not always be the case. I wouldn't want to invest in these loans on the expectation that I can sell quickly. Crossed with davee39Yes, that makes complete sense. Really appreciate the notes.
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Post by bababill on Jul 23, 2015 14:11:54 GMT
Thanks.. trying to figure out how their website works is more confusing then any platform I seen so far...not sure i can even be bothered..... just looking to try and diversify out of other sites like LI and TC
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