ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 17, 2015 22:42:23 GMT
Bots? some figures for todays sales
24 loans registered sales, 70 transactions, 23 distinct lender ID
1 bought 15 parts in 12 loans
1 bought 12 parts in 7 loans
1 bought 6 parts in 5 loans
1 bought 5 parts in 4 loans
2 bought 4 parts in 3 loans
1 bought 3 parts
3 bought 2 parts
13 bought 1 part
Cant say there's any real pattern to the buying of the big shoppers, pick up shrapnel & ignore big chunks, quite random in their activity so not convinced that there are bots at work. Nothing like FC in their activity.
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paulg
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Post by paulg on Aug 17, 2015 23:12:32 GMT
Depending what variety, there are some I have to try a number of times to get right. I'd never be able to buy a loan part again  . There must be another way!!!!  ? In edit: i have suspected the presence of bots for some considerable time. It might explain how one particular investor manages to oversubscribe to so many loans. See PBL018 at the moment. They may be very fast on the trigger but being able to buy all the available loan TWICE in succession thus making it oversubscribed does suggest that more than one instance of a script is being run simultaneously. And at 4 minutes past midnight the £700 over-subscription on PLB018 was re-sold, so having gained the interest the evidence disappears. I saw the same investor do exactly the same thing with a different loan which he/she had double subscribed to either last night or the night before. Looks suspicious to me.
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Post by xyon100 on Aug 18, 2015 8:21:14 GMT
Well, I spent the whole day checking the site obsessively and managed to buy precisely nothing. Day before I saw some for sale, clicked invest, went back to double check the amount so as not to leave somebody with 10P and it was gone. Same story the day before. So how does someone manage to buy 15 parts?
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Post by SteveT on Aug 18, 2015 8:25:23 GMT
I don't bother even looking when the well is as parched as it is now. Wait until the next good-sized new loan is launched and you should be able to pick up not only a slice of that but parts of many other existing loans too, as existing holders look to diversify.
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Post by webwiz on Aug 18, 2015 8:30:39 GMT
Bots? some figures for todays sales 24 loans registered sales, 69 transactions, 23 distinct lender ID 1 bought 15 parts in 12 loans 1 bought 12 parts in 7 loans 1 bought 6 parts in 5 loans 1 bought 5 parts in 4 loans 2 bought 4 parts in 3 loans 1 bought 3 parts 2 bought 2 parts 14 bought 1 part Cant say there's any real pattern to the buying of the big shoppers, pick up shrapnel & ignore big chunks, quite random in their activity so not convinced that there are bots at work. Nothing like FC in their activity. Given the lifetime of any loan that pops up on the SM this looks like several bots to me. SS need to put in some anti-bot measures. Captcha is simple easy and quick to implement. I just put £1k of PBL035 on the SM and it vanished immediately in fact went £500 over - definitely too fast to be a human.
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Post by xyon100 on Aug 18, 2015 8:32:13 GMT
And again, 3 parts appeared in three separate loans and all gone within seconds. Not minutes, not even half a minute. A few seconds. How are they doing this?!
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Post by webwiz on Aug 18, 2015 8:40:48 GMT
IMO s***********k and t*m must be bots.
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Post by dp on Aug 18, 2015 8:58:42 GMT
No bots. People are just online or have a refresh running in the background. Work away, see stuff as it goes on the SM and then pick up the part. 2k currently on the SM.
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Post by xyon100 on Aug 18, 2015 9:09:52 GMT
I have sat here all morning refreshing. If there is 2K on the market it will be gone within ten seconds. I have "invested" in several loans only to find immediate is not fast enough. A couple appeared in my summary only to vanish again, presumably over subscribed? I don't know how these people are doing it, but they are seeing and investing in these loans the second they appear.
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Post by supernumerary on Aug 18, 2015 9:16:45 GMT
Well, I spent the whole day checking the site obsessively and managed to buy precisely nothing. Day before I saw some for sale, clicked invest, went back to double check the amount so as not to leave somebody with 10P and it was gone. Same story the day before. So how does someone manage to buy 15 parts? And again, 3 parts appeared in three separate loans and all gone within seconds. Not minutes, not even half a minute. A few seconds. How are they doing this?! Xyon100, Which particular loans are you referring to in your two postings? It would be interesting to review what has happened. IMHO, I think there is a very large draw down going on from another p2plender and some of that money is coming onto Savings Stream. Not only more money on the Saving Stream website, but also more lenders too. These new lenders are probably KEENLY watching and waiting for loan slices to appear for sale. It could be just as simple and straight forward as that, rather that the use of ‘bots’… Just my opinion though.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 18, 2015 9:30:12 GMT
Ever tried an F5 frenzy on FS or MT, you'd be amazed how quick bids come in. Only takes someone to be F5 on a slightly different rhythm and the bids in while you're refreshing. Just had 6 bids go in on FS loan in time it took me to refresh, click, click, click, no typing.
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Post by supernumerary on Aug 18, 2015 9:30:15 GMT
24 loans registered sales, 69 transactions, 23 distinct lender ID il moro, Thank you for posting that information. Much appreciated. I take it you manually went through the loans to get that data? If so, that is some dedication!
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Post by xyon100 on Aug 18, 2015 9:34:59 GMT
Not been keeping track of which loans they were. I will. So far this morning I tried to get three offerings of 300/300/1000 and although they appeared in my summary they did not stay there. I have managed to grab two sub-100 Pound scraps that it seems mister speedy could not be bothered with. I know nothing of bots other than a little I read in a discussion about another site where one investor seemed to be achieving the impossible. I just know that despite constant monitoring of the loans page, somebody is doing it faster and I would love to know how.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 18, 2015 9:38:48 GMT
24 loans registered sales, 69 transactions, 23 distinct lender ID il moro, Thank you for posting that information. Much appreciated. I take it you manually went through the loans to get that data? If so, that is some dedication! 10mins while waiting for something to run, not sure it tells us anything, already spotted one double tap I missed, oh well  Hopefully todays promised interesting news will provide a distraction from 'botgate'
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Post by webwiz on Aug 18, 2015 9:40:10 GMT
I have asked SS to implement anti-bot measures and they have said they would. IMO it is worth doing whether or not any bots are currently being used (I have proved to my satisfaction that they are.) The fact that some loans can be obtained manually proves that the bots are not hoovering up everything but does not prove that they do not exist. The accounts will need replenishing with money periodically, and the bots might be programmed to be selective. Even if you doubt the existence of bots now you cannot surely suppose that they will never arrive?
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. There must be another way!!!!
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Hopefully todays promised interesting news will provide a distraction from 'botgate'