justsaying
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Post by justsaying on Jul 20, 2015 9:28:05 GMT
I too have steered clear of the GEIA for the same reasons (even though I think the product is great for diversification), but have found in the past couple lf weeks that it has been positively gobbling up my dosh, have managed to double my investment in it in that time.
Guess this is in part due to the new eligible loan, but also seems to have improved since the introduction of faster payments, which may be improving liquidity generally?
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Jul 20, 2015 11:12:33 GMT
It may be the early drawdown hasn't been spotted by some lenders, but loan 180 is now available. As one of the best (in wind resource terms) WT sites seen so far, with sound DSC/LTV etc cover I'm surprised immediate uptake wasn't larger. Have GEIA account holders received notification loan 180 is now available? If I was a GEIA lender I'd be upping my target considerably now. If a good number did so it could take a big chunk out of the loan very quickly, perhaps GEIA folk are just not used to this type of situation! Whilst nice to see some green pipeline I'd guess it's unlikely there'll be much, if any, of the 2 upcoming (much smaller) green deals available for GEIA accounts. Does AC time any GEIA marketing activities around new green loan releases? Maybe I missed it but I'm still not sure about how the budget change in the LEC (Levy Exemption Certificates) affects WT's. I should already know the answer to this. Perhaps others are holding back for this reason? In Edit. For the current N.I. proposal LEC's only produce about 1-2% of income. The valuation report goes to the extreme of ignoring them.
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Post by ilmoro on Jul 20, 2015 13:14:17 GMT
It may be the early drawdown hasn't been spotted by some lenders, but loan 180 is now available. As one of the best (in wind resource terms) WT sites seen so far, with sound DSC/LTV etc cover I'm surprised immediate uptake wasn't larger. Have GEIA account holders received notification loan 180 is now available? If I was a GEIA lender I'd be upping my target considerably now. If a good number did so it could take a big chunk out of the loan very quickly, perhaps GEIA folk are just not used to this type of situation! Whilst nice to see some green pipeline I'd guess it's unlikely there'll be much, if any, of the 2 upcoming (much smaller) green deals available for GEIA accounts. Does AC time any GEIA marketing activities around new green loan releases? Maybe I missed it but I'm still not sure about how the budget change in the LEC (Levy Exemption Certificates) affects WT's. I should already know the answer to this. Perhaps others are holding back for this reason? In Edit. For the current N.I. proposal LEC's only produce about 1-2% of income. The valuation report goes to the extreme of ignoring them. Couple of the big renewable funds are saying up to 4% hit www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/11738395/Budget-blow-to-investors-in-solar-power.htmlEdit: Aware its solar but unlikely to be different for WT. Statement from one of the renewable companies with big wind interest doesnt make happy reading ****** notes yesterday's announcement in the Budget that the government intends to discontinue the Climate Change Levy (CCL) exemption for renewable generators from 1 August 2015. The CCL has been a key component of the renewable support regime in the UK since 2001 and all parties in the renewable industry had understood that phase-out would not commence until after 2020. Based on our initial assessment of this measure, ****** expects a reduction in EBITDA of approximately £7 million in the year ending 31 March 2016 and approximately £10-11 million in the year ending 31 March 2017. **********, CEO of *******, said: "The announcement of the government's intention to discontinue the CCL at this time was quite without warning. We are disappointed by the several recent changes to the regulatory framework which will disincentivise long-term investment in the build-out of new energy infrastructure in the UK. ******** generates low cost, reliable, renewable energy and we now look to the government for regulatory stability." No prizes for guessing where my one green investment is
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Post by jonah on Jul 20, 2015 16:13:58 GMT
Conversely I find that behaviour to be entirely positive news; it's the first time I've heard of the GEIA behaving sensibly. I would much prefer that deposits be spread as best they can be initially, with balancing occuring as and when loan availability allows, rather than have some arbitrary percentage rule cause some of the money to sit idling in the account earning nothing. There is money of my mother's waiting to be diversified away from where it currently resides, with the GEIA being a prime candidate for her, but as it's been so irrational to date I've steered clear. Your experience is music to my ears; if it carries on like that it would convince me to advise her in this direction, but not convinced enough quite yet. I said 'less good' rather than 'bad' for a reason... I agree that it's positive that all the cash has gone away and found a home were it can produce little 7% versions of it's self. I am just slightly concerned about the implications of the weightings. If the above percentages remain for long enough for a credit event to occur and I had a sensible amount of money in that account, then I could in theory be exposed far beyond the protection fund's ability to cope. Right now, the amount of money involved isn't material to me (I hope!) but I wanted to get a better view of this account, hence putting it in there. I will probably be putting in another small number in a few days and will see how the percentages shake out then, but so far, the stability on those weightings seems solid as there hasn't been a single transaction on that account since Saturday. Hence, my assumption that it is either weighting for more / less money or more / less loans. Overall, an improving position I felt (hence the post!) but one which isn't quite there yet.
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Post by jjc on Jul 20, 2015 22:51:01 GMT
Maybe I missed it but I'm still not sure about how the budget change in the LEC (Levy Exemption Certificates) affects WT's. I should already know the answer to this. Perhaps others are holding back for this reason?My guess on the slow uptake is that the GEIA green monster is being kept on a tight leash & can’t easily replace other WT loan units with loan 180, for the time being at least. jonah's experiment could indicate that having first fixed GEIA accounts with > 20% weightings to existing WT deals (the first thing it did straight after drawdown) it then uses 180 to fill new GEIA demand with anything it can’t fill from prior loan units. That way at least the funds are deployed. Presumably at some point AC will press a button to kick the monster into action with a much more comprehensive dislodge & replace operation. That may not be deemed worthwhile until there’s a substantial volume of lumpy GEIA accounts. Couple of the big renewable funds are saying up to 4% hitSounds about right (I've heard numbers largely in the 2-5% range). Haven’t looked at this aspect properly, at a guess I’d reckon the funds take a bigger hit as the plants they own are bigger & earn a lower FIT/RO incentive, hence the LECs are a larger component of the income stream. On loan 180 AC have said the LECs weren’t even included in the income stream used to calculate DSC (so their cancellation has no effect). No mention of the valuation however (which in the past have used different data inputs to the DSC.) Perhaps davidricketts1 could confirm if any AC green loan valuations (& DSC) calcs have to date included LECs in the income stream or not. The removal of the CCL exemption has annoyed many in the renewables industry because (apart from knocking a few points out of your projects) it was a bolt out of the blue no-one was expecting. Cuts in FITs, RO's, perhaps changes in degression yes all feared/expected, but this was a curve ball no-one saw coming. Trying to look at the upside the £450-900m/yr savings claimed hopefully will soften the blow on the FIT cuts.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jul 21, 2015 12:02:45 GMT
Whilst nice to see some green pipeline I'd guess it's unlikely there'll be much, if any, of the 2 upcoming (much smaller) green deals available for GEIA accounts. Have AC ever indicated how they'd allocate parts of a new GEIA-eligible loan released by underwriters upon drawdown if there were enough retail lenders with targets set for the 'upcoming loan' to absorb the entire loan? Would GEIAs get first priority? Would retail lenders? Or...
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Post by sqh on Jul 21, 2015 12:28:31 GMT
Jonah's list of 10 GEIA loans doesn't mention #121 and #127. Does that mean they aren't included in the GEIA?
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Post by am on Jul 21, 2015 12:44:39 GMT
Jonah's list of 10 GEIA loans doesn't mention #121 and #127. Does that mean they aren't included in the GEIA? Probably there were no parts available for purchase at the time. It took me quite a while to build up my £250 in #127 from shrapnel.
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Post by jonah on Jul 21, 2015 19:31:28 GMT
Jonah's list of 10 GEIA loans doesn't mention #121 and #127. Does that mean they aren't included in the GEIA? Probably there were no parts available for purchase at the time. It took me quite a while to build up my £250 in #127 from shrapnel. Could be. That list was from all Geia loans I'd ever held in the Geia account with the current active percentage. If I didn't get a nibble then it wouldn't be on the list. reading back through the trades, the first two purchases when I put in the cash on Sunday were both 20% of loan 180 and then nothing more. I wonder if it bought the second 20% not realising it already had the first. either way, I'll give it another few days to see if it shuffles any more (currently nothing since Saturday) and then add another slice, probably this weekend.
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Post by bugs4me on Jul 21, 2015 21:01:01 GMT
Based in part on the increasing eligible loans which should help with diversity but also the suggested regular updated provision details page, I decided to take advantage of the 'faster payments' process and put a small amount in GEIA. The money went into GEIA just after 10am yesterday. The good news is that 100% of my money was matched and against loans within the day I transferred the cash. This is great as it helps towards meeting the 7% interest which it 'says on the tin'. It also seems to have found a spare penny somewhere! (I suspect fractional interest from previous toes in this particular water added together). The less good news was how it had spread the cash... 112 11.31 106 4.02 125 2.42 90 20.02 160 13.25 93 4.31 145 3 83 0 180 40 77 1.69 Based on parsing the transaction logs, I have the above percentages (column 2) in the above loans (column 1). Given at least 10 active loans, I was surprised to see 40% in one of them and over 20% in another. Of course, this may further settle in due course, but after 45 different transactions yesterday there hasn't been a single one today. So, will GEIA wait until a trigger event such as a change in investment level or a new loan / loan closed before trying to get below 20% on those 2 loans? Conversely I find that behaviour to be entirely positive news; it's the first time I've heard of the GEIA behaving sensibly. I would much prefer that deposits be spread as best they can be initially, with balancing occuring as and when loan availability allows, rather than have some arbitrary percentage rule cause some of the money to sit idling in the account earning nothing. There is money of my mother's waiting to be diversified away from where it currently resides, with the GEIA being a prime candidate for her, but as it's been so irrational to date I've steered clear. Your experience is music to my ears; if it carries on like that it would convince me to advise her in this direction, but not convinced enough quite yet. chris please can you confirm or otherwise that based on the figures supplied by jonah that the GEIA has been quietly tweaked in the background to enable 100% or close to and then rebalance back to the 20% per loan maximum exposure as and when. If so then it would make things more positive and certainly encourage more involvement IMO.
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Post by chris on Jul 21, 2015 21:05:52 GMT
Conversely I find that behaviour to be entirely positive news; it's the first time I've heard of the GEIA behaving sensibly. I would much prefer that deposits be spread as best they can be initially, with balancing occuring as and when loan availability allows, rather than have some arbitrary percentage rule cause some of the money to sit idling in the account earning nothing. There is money of my mother's waiting to be diversified away from where it currently resides, with the GEIA being a prime candidate for her, but as it's been so irrational to date I've steered clear. Your experience is music to my ears; if it carries on like that it would convince me to advise her in this direction, but not convinced enough quite yet. chris please can you confirm or otherwise that based on the figures supplied by jonah that the GEIA has been quietly tweaked in the background to enable 100% or close to and then rebalance back to the 20% per loan maximum exposure as and when. If so then it would make things more positive and certainly encourage more involvement IMO. No that has not happened and the algorithm is unchanged in the last few months. I think any change to diversification like that would require the issuing of a series 2 account, but that would be for our legal and compliance team to decide. I am actively working on a big update to the algorithm though to improve the way it handles investments and then rebalances between investors in the account, but this is tied to a wider revamp of how investments are handled behind the scenes and I don't yet have a release date. Should be Q3 unless there's a big internal shift in priorities.
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Post by bugs4me on Jul 21, 2015 21:43:42 GMT
chris please can you confirm or otherwise that based on the figures supplied by jonah that the GEIA has been quietly tweaked in the background to enable 100% or close to and then rebalance back to the 20% per loan maximum exposure as and when. If so then it would make things more positive and certainly encourage more involvement IMO. No that has not happened and the algorithm is unchanged in the last few months. I think any change to diversification like that would require the issuing of a series 2 account, but that would be for our legal and compliance team to decide. I am actively working on a big update to the algorithm though to improve the way it handles investments and then rebalances between investors in the account, but this is tied to a wider revamp of how investments are handled behind the scenes and I don't yet have a release date. Should be Q3 unless there's a big internal shift in priorities. chris - thanks for reporting back at this late hour. Looks as though jonah got lucky to get 100% invested with a breach of the 20% rule. Hopefully your update will come sooner rather than later as the highest I ever managed to get invested was in the 70% region after 4 weeks or so. At the time though there wasn't a great deal around that qualified and probably once the GEIA was launched initially it had mopped up the surplus from the SM so it was a case of luck - or so it seems in my case. Will wait and see what develops.
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Post by star dust on Jul 21, 2015 23:56:13 GMT
With the moveable feast of draw-down dates and prior to faster payments, I have done a lot of removing and then re- investing in the GEIA recently. Removing funds has been very fast although sometimes it has left a few pounds and pennies behind, and the longest it took to re- invest 100% was 2 days although generally it managed it in one. I am dealing in hundreds though, and I wonder if four or five figure sums would be a different ball game? I haven't a clue what it's invested in and really can't be bothered to work it out, it is however as mad as ever, at the end of last week for example it sold and purchased exactly the same amount of one WT more than 50 times before finally selling and then purchasing a different WT. Interestingly the WT part it sold was slightly under 5% of my total GEIA holding suggesting it had been top heavy in this and got an opportunity to trade it for another, on the other hand..... In general I have to say I think it's much improved and although I'll use it less with the advent of FP's I think I'll carry on keeping some investments in it. One neat improvement however, might be for it to tell us at a glance what we hold of which loan, either in total or proportionally would do .
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Post by bracknellboy on Jul 22, 2015 7:11:38 GMT
...... One neat improvement however, might be for it to tell us at a glance what we hold of which loan, either in total or proportionally would do . Whizzo idea: perhaps a dashboard providing real time updates. Or an email notification whenever it changed ? I foresee the need for an additional server farm ...
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Post by jonah on Jul 22, 2015 11:59:54 GMT
The delivery of interest (less than zero p!) kicked off a rebalancing today... At the time of writing I'm down to just over 90% invested from the previous 100%. I'll look to see what the gap is when I get a min, but expect that the main drop will be the previously 40% loan.
edit, yes some loan 180 has been sold.
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