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Post by Steerpike on May 25, 2016 15:35:26 GMT
Hopefully I can add a little clarification. Have any of the remaining rooms been sold? No, as the decision was made to wait until refurbishments had been made. As these are almost complete the marketing of the remaining rooms was once again started in October. One firm reservation and one prliminary have been booked and general interest has been high. It is expected that the first sale will happen in December. Value of the hotel without direct ownership of some (or even all) of the rooms. It is a common practice with several hotels, and some chains, to sell off individual rooms, to release capital. The hotel still provides services to the room owners (laundry, cleaning etc) for which a charge is made. In addition proceeds from the restaurant, bar, function rooms etc are all retained by the hotel. In the event of a sale the "sold" rooms would remain with the owners, who have title to them registered with the land registry. The valuation of the hotel (and bar, restaurant, unsold rooms etc) took this into account, being based only on those parts where the title belongs to the hotel. Refurbishment The pictures show a section of the refurbished kitchen to support the bar / restaurant, together with the restaurant itself. Additional work continues on the function rooms, due to be completed shortly. Hopefully the above helps to clarify some of the points - together with the additional details on the loan itself. FundingSecure NOTE: All available details, including the valuation, have been visible since this morning using the preview option that was introduced a couple of months ago - so noone should be forced to choose between reading the info and investing in the loan, regardless of how quickly the loan fills. Now would seem to be a good time for a further update
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Post by mrclondon on May 25, 2016 18:36:09 GMT
The recent reviews on trip advisor are pretty dire and don't reflect any investment that may or may not have taken place in the public areas, as any positives in the public areas are massively outweighed by the grotty bedrooms.
My recent research into the South Wales property loans which are months late (but FS state they have proof of repayment funds) suggests there is a common director behind the management company at this Lancaster hotel and the one at that South Wales hotel which has gone into liquidation.
My conclusion is the borrower behind these loans is an asset stripper when looking at the two cases in parallel. This Lancaster Hotel has sold off individual bedrooms to private investors, making the remaining rump which is our security not that attractive (but for clarity we knew that from the outset of these loans)
The South Wales one is fascinating - the freehold property was bought (presumably at a discount from the previous administrators). The freehold was then sold off (presumably to a connected entity) and a long lease (125 years) put in place (over which FS has the charge although I'm struggling to identify the correct title on the land Registry site) with the hotel management company (that has now gone bust) at a fairly high ground rent (with a nasty legal clause that might come back to bite FS if they need to foreclose on the loan). The freehold contained some separate cottages, these were split off onto separate leasehold titles that were sold on to private (presumably unconnected) individuals. (a careful read of the valuation report explains most of this). Roll forward to spring 2016. In the court case that preceded the collapse of the hotel management company, it was stated that the reason for the unpaid electricity bill (> £10k) was that there was only one electricity meter for the hotel + the garden blocks and the cottages (that had been sold off as separate leaseholds). Local media reports the judge as making comment about the strangeness of this. So not only asset stripping, but not investing the money to split the services. Which leaves a real mess with the hotel leasehold (our security) owning an electricity meter which feeds other leasehold cottages (and it will not be cheap to rectify this which could well undermine the valuation of our security)
If I'm right that there is a connection between these two sets of loans (2 loans to each), then I would have some doubts as to what is actually happening in Lancaster. The sales blurb for the Lancaster rooms states that the Signature Hotel Group WILL be taking over the management of the hotel. I'm far from convinced that this is the case, and I have failed to identify what the Signature Hotel Group is (as neither a single West Midlands hotel nor the Liverpool based group with a similar name would seem to match the profile).
Disclosure: I have no stake in either of these loans, but am using these and a couple of other distressed FS loans which again I have no stake in to attempt to assess the extent that FS due diligence prior to loan drawdown should have risk assessed factors that would have been known at that time, and what if anything can be deduced about "platform risk" as a consequence.
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Post by Steerpike on May 25, 2016 18:57:22 GMT
Very thorough mrclondon as usual but really not the update one might have wished for. Clearly, having a quick squint at the proposition, valuation, and borrower website etc. is nowhere near sufficiently diligent if lending more than a token sum.
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Post by 09dolphin on May 26, 2016 13:21:52 GMT
OMG. Yet another property loan that will probably still be on my books 3 - 4 months after it should have paid interest.
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Post by merlin on May 26, 2016 16:30:49 GMT
mrclondon I much appreciate your contribution on this loan. When I kicked off this thread it was as a result of turning up one uncertainty after another. Consequently like you I did not invest. However I did drop a four figure sum into the Cardiff loan which as you state is yonks' overdue despite numerous promises of payment. Can you shine any more light on the Cardiff situation?
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Post by Steerpike on May 27, 2016 16:50:35 GMT
At last!
An update!
"Funds still awaited"
That is a relief.
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Post by hazellend on Jun 8, 2016 20:28:36 GMT
Paid today.
Calm down everybody.
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Post by mrclondon on Jun 9, 2016 11:25:05 GMT
Paid today. Calm down everybody. The concern wasn't (isn't) this small 2nd loan renewal that paid six plus weeks late, but the much larger (> 5 times) renewal of the first loan which is due in just over a weeks time (17th June)
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Post by hazellend on Jun 11, 2016 9:18:49 GMT
I doubt they would pay off the smaller loan if there was even a small possibility of defaulting on the second. Should be safe?
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Post by earthbound on Jun 21, 2016 8:09:38 GMT
Updated yesterday...20th june
'Borrower has confirmed intention to renew. We have agreed a 10 day extension, during which time interest continues to accrue. '
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Post by ozboy on Jan 16, 2017 9:36:38 GMT
If the spondoolies don't arrive today any faith I have left will evaporate......................... Lancaster Hotel (1029913142)
10/01/2017 Everything now ready for fund transfer. As soon as we receive funds the loan will be closed. In the meantime interest still accruing.
08/01/2017 All legals are now complete. Funds should be with us to complete the loan on Monday or Tuesday....................(ie 9th or 10th)
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Post by ozboy on Jan 16, 2017 15:23:23 GMT
15:23 as I type and no notification of the readies having been received ............................................
Transfers take less than 5 working days don't they?
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Post by archie on Jan 17, 2017 12:18:44 GMT
Funds now expected this week.
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Post by ozboy on Jan 17, 2017 13:07:13 GMT
Does anyone else recall a Loan/s when FS were told by a Solicitor something like "We have the funds and will be transferring them" only for said funds to never arrive?
If this has happened, such sheer deceit is surely Professional Misconduct and Solicitors can and should be struck off, or preferably, worse?
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Post by Steerpike on Jan 17, 2017 13:22:57 GMT
Signs remain positive
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