tonyr
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Post by tonyr on Sept 16, 2015 15:51:37 GMT
I for one am not impressed. The GBBA/QAA just ate the whole loan in a few bites. No chance for me to invest as I wanted to. This is the lack of liquidity to us MLIA users that I was worried about. Did you have your order in before draw down? I guess there were a lot of buyers - it has been on the future loans list for about 4 months. I did - but now I realise that only part of the funds were available. The part that wasn't had to be released as the underwriters commitment and that was the part that wasn't invested. In a way this is how the system is supposed to work - it just leaves me with a lot of cash doing nothing and nothing on the market to invest in.
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Post by chris on Sept 16, 2015 15:55:46 GMT
I for one am not impressed. The GBBA/QAA just ate the whole loan in a few bites. No chance for me to invest as I wanted to. This is the lack of liquidity to us MLIA users that I was worried about. There are 587 lenders who have invested in this loan, it's demand not market manipulation.
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Post by chris on Sept 16, 2015 15:58:08 GMT
I for one am not impressed. The GBBA/QAA just ate the whole loan in a few bites. No chance for me to invest as I wanted to. This is the lack of liquidity to us MLIA users that I was worried about. There are 587 lenders who have invested in this loan, it's demand not market manipulation. Further to this the MLIA holds 5 times as much of this loan as the GBBA.
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Post by duck on Sept 16, 2015 16:02:03 GMT
I'm a bit confused! My personal account fulfilled my order in full. My business account (order amount revised up early this morning) picked up approx. 45% of my order down to the last penny available in MLIA and then didn't touch the cash that is 'awaiting investment' in the quick access account. My partners GBBA picked up an arbitrary 109.8244717565 .......
Struggling to guess what I have done 'wrong' although 'user error' might come into it (?)
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Post by jonah on Sept 16, 2015 16:49:23 GMT
My GBBA account is now 100% full, which is a first. I also got the (very small) amount in MLIA. It used cash outside the QAA not the cash in it.
considering the lack recently, not surprised that it's all gone. Hopefully the 23rd will be slightly better for any BHs around but from the what I've seen it seems to have worked for the first loan.
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Post by pikestaff on Sept 16, 2015 16:55:53 GMT
I for one am not impressed. The GBBA/QAA just ate the whole loan in a few bites. No chance for me to invest as I wanted to. This is the lack of liquidity to us MLIA users that I was worried about. Did you have your order in before draw down? I guess there were a lot of buyers - it has been on the future loans list for about 4 months. My order was in before drawdown, fully covered by cash in the MLIA (most of which was also in the QAA; the rest was in the queue). My order has been met in full. Better still, all of my remaining MLIA cash is now in the QAA. I'm happy!
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Post by agent69 on Sept 16, 2015 16:57:14 GMT
My GBBA account is now 100% full, which is a first. I also got the (very small) amount in MLIA. It used cash outside the QAA not the cash in it. considering the lack recently, not surprised that it's all gone. Hopefully the 23rd will be slightly better for any BHs around but from the what I've seen it seems to have worked for the first loan. Does anyone know how much space was freed up in the QAA when this loan drew down?
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Post by pikestaff on Sept 16, 2015 16:58:54 GMT
I'm a bit confused! My personal account fulfilled my order in full. My business account (order amount revised up early this morning) picked up approx. 45% of my order down to the last penny available in MLIA and then didn't touch the cash that is 'awaiting investment' in the quick access account. My partners GBBA picked up an arbitrary 109.8244717565 .......
Struggling to guess what I have done 'wrong' although 'user error' might come into it (?) Cash in the QAA won't be used if it went there directly. The QAA will only use cash that it's taken from the MLIA.
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 16, 2015 17:12:38 GMT
My GBBA account is now 100% full, which is a first. I also got the (very small) amount in MLIA. It used cash outside the QAA not the cash in it. considering the lack recently, not surprised that it's all gone. Hopefully the 23rd will be slightly better for any BHs around but from the what I've seen it seems to have worked for the first loan. Does anyone know how much space was freed up in the QAA when this loan drew down? chris probably does Otherwise, more than 5k as that was the excess and enough to suck in some of the queue as pikestaff's is now in, but not enough for mine to get in
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Post by pikestaff on Sept 16, 2015 17:18:16 GMT
Does anyone know how much space was freed up in the QAA when this loan drew down? I don't think that info is available. About 20% of my order was fulfilled with cash in my MLIA that was queuing to get into the QAA (all of my queued cash) and 80% was pulled from the QAA. Some people will have done better than this and others will have done less well. My guess is that at least £400k of the £471k on the market will have come from the QAA (including funds lent to the QAA from the GBBA) but it's only a guess. Edit: ilmoro - My queued cash was not sucked into the QAA. It felt like it had been but the transaction list shows otherwise. It shows £X used to buy the loan part and £X-Y pulled from the QAA, where £Y is the amount of cash that I had in the queue.
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Post by chris on Sept 16, 2015 17:20:24 GMT
Does anyone know how much space was freed up in the QAA when this loan drew down? chris probably does Otherwise, more than 5k as that was the excess and enough to suck in some of the queue as pikestaff's is now in, but not enough for mine to get in Indeed I do
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Post by mikes1531 on Sept 16, 2015 18:06:16 GMT
I'm a bit confused! My personal account fulfilled my order in full. My business account (order amount revised up early this morning) picked up approx. 45% of my order down to the last penny available in MLIA and then didn't touch the cash that is 'awaiting investment' in the quick access account. My partners GBBA picked up an arbitrary 109.8244717565 .......
Struggling to guess what I have done 'wrong' although 'user error' might come into it (?) My order was fulfilled completely, using money in my MLIA that should have been queued to get into the QAA. (It came from loan parts sold earlier in the week after the QAA had reached its limit.) So perhaps I should be grateful that my idle funds hadn't actually reached the front of the queue and been put into the QAA. But I'm confused by the reference above to cash that is 'awaiting investment' in the QAA. I have funds 'Awaiting Investment' in my MLIA, but none showing in my QAA so I think my MLIA money is in the QAA queue only because my QAA reports it is set to invest idle funds from all my accounts. Is there another way to tell what is queued and what isn't? My QAA shows it has 1p 'Lent from idle funds'. I presume that's money that got into the queue earlier, and the rest of my idle money still is queued, but I haven't a clue whether it's near the front of the queue or behind £Millions of others' money. chris: Until such time as the QAA limit has been raised so high that there's no queue at all, I think AC need to supply some info letting people know where their money is in the queue. When I put money on offer at Zopa, they tell me how much money is ahead of me in the queue. If I have multiple chunks on offer, then the list has multiple entries. I only see that data if I ask for it, so it shouldn't confuse anyone who doesn't care, but I'd be surprised if there would be many people who don't care -- unless the queueing time is quite short. AC could do something similar. My small GBBA picked up an amount of Loan #174 that represented 20% of my GBBA balance, so that seems to have worked OK. ( duck: What fraction of their total GBBA does the amount of #174 bought for your partner represent? Is it close to 20%?) I also picked up a small bit of another loan for my GBBA. My GBBA is now 50.88% invested, 48.96% Awaiting Investment, and 0.16% gone walkies. I don't expect any further significant GBBA investment until the next eligible loan draws down.
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Post by SteveT on Sept 16, 2015 18:11:50 GMT
Not at my PC but I think, if you click on your MLIA Available Funds figure, it shows a breakdown of where it's currently residing (but not where it's reached in the "Queued Awaiting Admission")
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Post by mikes1531 on Sept 16, 2015 18:32:35 GMT
Further to this the MLIA holds 5 times as much of this loan as the GBBA. chris: Thanks for that info. I presume this result depended on the relative sizes of the aggregated MLIAs and GBBAs, and the amount of total idle funds. Based on my GBBA putting 20% of its value into #174, I expect that any other GBBA with that much uninvested funds would have done likewise. So if the GBBA has priority, and the total value of all GBBAs with uninvested funds were to be more than five times the amount of initially available parts of a newly drawndown loan, and there were sufficient uninvested funds in those GBBAs, does that mean all the available parts of the new loan would go into those GBBAs? In addition to the above concern, what happens with GBBAs that are fully invested when a new loan draws down? Does the algorithm take that event as an opportunity to rebalance all those GBBAs' holdings by buying a bit of the new loan for each and selling some parts of the loans that those GBBAs are holding the most of? In that case, the aggregate GBBA size that it would take for GBBAs to 'corner the market' of a new loan's parts is even smaller. I suppose much of this issue would be avoided if the supply of new loans is sufficient to satisfy all the GBBAs and still have lots of parts left for MLIA investors. So we have to hope that AC can increase the deal flow faster than the GBBA is growing. I sure hope they can.
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Post by mikes1531 on Sept 16, 2015 18:44:00 GMT
Not at my PC but I think, if you click on your MLIA Available Funds figure, it shows a breakdown of where it's currently residing (but not where it's reached in the "Queued Awaiting Admission") Hovering over my MLIA 'Awaiting Investment' produces a pop-up telling me that all of it is in Cash and none is in the QAA, but it doesn't tell me that the Cash amount is queued for the QAA. Unless, of course, if it wasn't queued there wouldn't be any mention at all of the QAA in the pop-up. I would turn off my QAA idle funds sweep option to test that except that I expect that action would result in my money being taken out of the queue -- if it's there now -- and then put it back at the end of the queue if re-enabling that option re-queues that money. Is there anyone here who doesn't have the sweep feature turned on who can hover over their MLIA idle cash amount and tell us what their pop-up says?
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