bigfoot12
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Post by bigfoot12 on Jun 20, 2015 10:04:07 GMT
Forgive me I am a bit new to AC , I am just playing with the account in order to learn how it works. As I understand it the indeterminate draw down date means that you need to keep some capital ready earning nothing and that time can be actually quite long ? Does that mean that when these loans become available that they can 'sell out' very quickly ? There is no hard and fast rule, but loans (with rates >9.5% and good security) smaller than about £200k sell out very quickly, whereas those larger than this usually take a little longer. So about 10 of the 16 upcoming loans you should be able to buy quite easily some of the other 6 might sell out instantly and few will take a few hours. If you are new you need to know that there is a large turnover of existing loans going on all the time. AC give out numbers from time to time, but I think it would be better if they had a page which showed the numbers every week or month. In particular larger loans from the last six months seem to have been quite active in the last few weeks. You can set targets on all of them and just deposit a little, and if that is all used deposit some more.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 20, 2015 10:50:12 GMT
Forgive me I am a bit new to AC , I am just playing with the account in order to learn how it works. As I understand it to determinate draw down date means that you need to keep some capital ready earning nothing and that time can be actually quite long ? Does that mean that when these loans become available that they can 'sell out' very quickly ? Generally, you should have ~5 days notice because AC usually doesnt call for UW funds until everythings ready to go. Up until that point, dates are dependent on the whims & efficiencies of lawyers, govt agencies, banks etc and move regularly & substantially. GRL followed this pattern but once funds were called on last Thurs 11/6 it took 5 days and it drewdown on Wed, ahead of its predicted Fri date. The frustrating thing with #166 is that AC called the funds, then seemed to obscure the fact causing confusion, then confirmed funds received introducing certainty, then moved the date without explanation and removed the note that had confirmed funds received. Hopefully its a one off issue & there are already moves to develop a better system so in the long run it will have a positive outcome but its annoying & poorly handled by AC IMHO. Other factor to consider is AC require UW to release 50% of their holdings on to the market, though they may release more, so you can determine the minimum amount that should become available. Unfortunately there is no way of determining demand or ability to realise that demand. Most recent loans ( possibly all) havent sold out quickly (no fastest finger)
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Post by upland on Jun 20, 2015 11:28:42 GMT
Many thanks lynnanthony , bigfoot12 and il Moro. So I take it that the loans that are available in significant amount are not so sought after ? I thought that all newly available loans would be available for a while , clearly not.
I took a tip from these boards and set targets on loans with no available units and I have accumulated some holdings. I sense that supply and demand may be well out of kilter with risk and reward.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 20, 2015 12:32:11 GMT
Many thanks lynnanthony , bigfoot12 and il Moro. So I take it that the loans that are available in significant amount are not so sought after ? I thought that all newly available loans would be available for a while , clearly not. Not easy to say as circumstances of each loan very so much. For instance, #160 would appear to be popular but then it is included in the GEIA so that would have taken a chunk of it, a factor that doesnt influence other loans. #164 was a renewal of an existing loan so most of it was absorbed by existing holders, #165 had funds rolled into it from another loan. Another factor is there is no way of determining whether UW have released subsequent tranches onto the market so loans may look like they are not popular but in fact have exhausted the initial tranche & been topped up. Another factor is the where loans have drawndown in the redemption circle. Loans that drawdown around the time another loan is redeemed are obviously more likely to fill quickly than loans drawing down when no loans have redeemed as they are reliant on lenders adding additional cash, diversifying existing holdings or new lenders, rather than existing cash looking for a home. I took a tip from these boards and set targets on loans with no available units and I have accumulated some holdings. I sense that supply and demand may be well out of kilter with risk and reward. Thats the best way. Even loans that were in high demand and disappeared immediately on drawdown can generally be acquired over time as people diversify or UW release tranches. eg. #151 was probably the last loan to have all available sums picked up by predrawdown targets. I missed out due to lack of funds but had filled my target within a month. Risk also fluctuates daily, only takes a payment to be a day or so late due to weekend and loans start getting sold down and you can acquire loans that havent been liquid for months.
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Post by bg on Jun 20, 2015 13:45:30 GMT
#170 hasn't been pulled, just a change in terms by the borrower meaning it has to be underwritten all over again. I'd expect it to reappear early next week.
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Post by sl75 on Jun 20, 2015 21:38:56 GMT
Forgive me I am a bit new to AC , I am just playing with the account in order to learn how it works. As I understand it the indeterminate draw down date means that you need to keep some capital ready earning nothing and that time can be actually quite long ? Does that mean that when these loans become available that they can 'sell out' very quickly ? When these loans become available they can sell out instantly, and never appear in the "Units available" section. Depends on demand. However, I would note that this is a touch misleading as a reply to the question upland probably meant... "sold out" or £0.00 in the "units available" column implies only that no purchase is immediately possible. For those with a relatively modest unfulfilled target (e.g. up to £100 per loan), the chances are that the target will be fulfilled during the days/weeks after drawdown as other users adjust their targets. Once a loan is sold out, further sales typically occur "immediately" without appearing as "units available" for more than a few seconds. i.e. unless you're after an unusually large holding, it's probably not necessary to provide the capital up front in advance before drawdown.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 22, 2015 11:09:33 GMT
Re: #179 It look as though the annual rate will be slightly ahead of the stated figure at 11.75%. Hmm, no idea where I got 11.5% from. Seems to be total confusion, 11.75% on site, 10% on CR, 12% based on repayments. Have changed to displayed rate for moment. So the CR has been updated. Rate now 11.75% and all related figs reworked. Can someone with a bigger brain than mine or more understanding make sense of ACs repayment figs because I cant get my head round their numbers? Original CR 960k@10% = 36x£9600 + 960k bullet - surely thats 12% interest New CR 960k@11.75% = 36x£10,800 +960k bullet - i make that 13.5% So what ridiculously stupid mistake am I making? Ive looked at a couple of other CRs and the figure seem wrong there also and the actual repayments match my calcs. Incidently, the new CR also includes a 20k lift in EBITDA, so another error in the original?
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sqh
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Post by sqh on Jun 22, 2015 12:56:01 GMT
Hmm, no idea where I got 11.5% from. Seems to be total confusion, 11.75% on site, 10% on CR, 12% based on repayments. Have changed to displayed rate for moment. So the CR has been updated. Rate now 11.75% and all related figs reworked. Can someone with a bigger brain than mine or more understanding make sense of ACs repayment figs because I cant get my head round their numbers? Original CR 960k@10% = 36x£9600 + 960k bullet - surely thats 12% interest New CR 960k@11.75% = 36x£10,800 +960k bullet - i make that 13.5% So what ridiculously stupid mistake am I making? Ive looked at a couple of other CRs and the figure seem wrong there also and the actual repayments match my calcs. Incidently, the new CR also includes a 20k lift in EBITDA, so another error in the original? AC used to show total borrower repayments (lender + platform interest). Platform interest was typically 1%-2%. I suspect that's the difference here.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 22, 2015 13:10:09 GMT
So the CR has been updated. Rate now 11.75% and all related figs reworked. Can someone with a bigger brain than mine or more understanding make sense of ACs repayment figs because I cant get my head round their numbers? Original CR 960k@10% = 36x£9600 + 960k bullet - surely thats 12% interest New CR 960k@11.75% = 36x£10,800 +960k bullet - i make that 13.5% So what ridiculously stupid mistake am I making? Ive looked at a couple of other CRs and the figure seem wrong there also and the actual repayments match my calcs. Incidently, the new CR also includes a 20k lift in EBITDA, so another error in the original? AC used to show total borrower repayments (lender + platform interest). Platform interest was typically 1%-2%. I suspect that's the difference here. Thanks. Didnt think of that. Knew there had to be a logical explanation. Shame AC couldnt have been more expansive in their answer to the Q on the loan. Im afraid recent issues havent given me huge confidence in the clarity of info provided in CRs, particularly with lender duedil uncovering errors.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Jun 22, 2015 14:24:53 GMT
12 predicted drawdowns in the next eleven days; how will I keep up?
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Post by andy2001 on Jun 22, 2015 15:37:26 GMT
166 drawdown date has now slipped to the 26th.
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Post by ramblin rose on Jun 22, 2015 15:41:19 GMT
12 predicted drawdowns in the next eleven days; how will I keep up? Well, #166 has been put back from "Wednesday at the latest but aiming for Monday" to "anticipated Friday 26th", so most of the week will be a little easier to keep up with, albeit with a little bit of extra annoyance Edit: Ah, andy2001, beat me to it. And with a touch more equanimity.
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Post by jonno on Jun 22, 2015 15:44:31 GMT
12 predicted drawdowns in the next eleven days; how will I keep up? I hope ilmoro has got his flying squad ready. Talking of which, ilmoro, how many of the twelve would actually warrant a fly-past? Please don't say twelve (or one). Oops,crossed with Rose.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 22, 2015 15:49:57 GMT
166 drawdown date has now slipped to the 26th. Indeed, no explanation and no answers to any questions posed. See DBL has reappeared as predicted by bg
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 22, 2015 16:08:08 GMT
Talking of which, ilmoro, how many of the twelve would actually warrant a fly-past? Please don't say twelve (or one). Sorry just rearranging the deckchairs in the list there. Currently only one. Formula is expectation x exasperation > Piggles wages. Havent detected huge levels of either on any of the others yet and he charges exorbitantly.
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