ramblin rose
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Post by ramblin rose on Aug 10, 2016 17:51:56 GMT
I like "pantechnicon" but I don't wave it about or everyone would want one  I had to google that @bobo  Not to be confused with panopticon ( this is quite a nice one)
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warn
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Post by warn on Aug 11, 2016 13:07:09 GMT
Those of us who remember our "I-Spy" books, back when the world was young, would have had no need to Google.
Ewe of fto picar?
Odhu ntinggo.
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littleoldlady
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Post by littleoldlady on Aug 11, 2016 17:06:49 GMT
AIUI any failure makes it illegal to drive even if there is some time left on the old certificate. You cannot legally even drive it away from the test station. Nope. If it has a certificate that's not expired yet, then it's got a current, valid MOT - whether it's failed another one or not. If it's unroadworthy, it's illegal to drive - whether you've been told by an MOT man or not. It is explicitly legal to drive a failed vehicle away from a test, or to a place of repair, so long as it's not been flagged to be dangerous to drive - subject to that "unroadworthy" test. If it's illegal to drive away from the test centre because it's unroadworthy, then it was illegal on the way there, too. MoneyThing - there was a rather wonderful little car magazine called "Jalopy" back in the early '90s, specialising in - well, the title gives it away... The unexpired MOT is still valid but if it has failed the test it is de facto unroadworthy and therefore illegal to drive. You (and the gov site) are implying that some of the tests are pointless. It may not have been unroadworthy on the way in as some of the checks done during the test are stress tests.
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Aug 11, 2016 17:12:09 GMT
Nope. If it has a certificate that's not expired yet, then it's got a current, valid MOT - whether it's failed another one or not. If it's unroadworthy, it's illegal to drive - whether you've been told by an MOT man or not. It is explicitly legal to drive a failed vehicle away from a test, or to a place of repair, so long as it's not been flagged to be dangerous to drive - subject to that "unroadworthy" test. If it's illegal to drive away from the test centre because it's unroadworthy, then it was illegal on the way there, too. MoneyThing - there was a rather wonderful little car magazine called "Jalopy" back in the early '90s, specialising in - well, the title gives it away... The unexpired MOT is still valid but if it has failed the test it is de facto unroadworthy and therefore illegal to drive. You are implying that some of the tests are pointless. It may not have been unroadworthy on the way in as some of the checks done during the test are stress tests. Go and have a look at an MOT certificate. It's quite explicit about not being proof of roadworthiness. And, of course, if a fail meant the car was automatically unroadworthy, why would there be a dangerous-to-drive flag available to the tester? Let's say it's failed on a tyre - which has been replaced, but it's not been retested. Or a rear seatbelt, but there's nobody in the back seats. Or lights, but it's daytime. Or on the towbar wiring, but there's no trailer. Nothing in the MOT is a "stress test" - quite the opposite, the test is designed NOT to stress anything.
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ramblin rose
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Post by ramblin rose on Aug 11, 2016 18:44:24 GMT
The unexpired MOT is still valid but if it has failed the test it is de facto unroadworthy and therefore illegal to drive. You are implying that some of the tests are pointless. It may not have been unroadworthy on the way in as some of the checks done during the test are stress tests. Go and have a look at an MOT certificate. It's quite explicit about not being proof of roadworthiness. And, of course, if a fail meant the car was automatically unroadworthy, why would there be a dangerous-to-drive flag available to the tester? Let's say it's failed on a tyre - which has been replaced, but it's not been retested. Or a rear seatbelt, but there's nobody in the back seats. Or lights, but it's daytime. Or on the towbar wiring, but there's no trailer. Nothing in the MOT is a "stress test" - quite the opposite, the test is designed NOT to stress anything. I think it's time you guys called in adjudication - where is baz657 when you need him?
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baz657
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Post by baz657 on Aug 12, 2016 8:56:28 GMT
Grey area and a can of worms this MOT stuff with all the dodgy ex-IOM jalopies that come in.
DVSA (Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency), the government agency that looks after many aspects of vehicular usage, recommend that you test your vehicle before expiry so you have time to carry out any rectification work whilst still having a legal MOT certificate. It's not illegal to drive your car away if it fails, and the MOT test station cannot stop you (although some try so that you have to leave it with them to carry out the work). The grey area comes about because you are legal because you have a valid MOT, but you are illegal because you are knowingly using a vehicle with a defect on the road.
There are even more rules and regulations as to how, when and why you can drive if the MOT has expired.
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oldgrumpy
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Post by oldgrumpy on Aug 12, 2016 9:16:23 GMT
Maybe SS will confirm today that they have contacted again and confirmed with the PBL040 borrower whether (or not) the (non-existent! Ooops!) C & C Building Society have confirmed (or not) the imminent refinance, and if not, whether refinance has been sought and confirmed (or not confirmed, or rejected) elsewhere since SS's last confirmation on this thread that all is well, and confirm whether the borrower's car has an up to date MOT (or not). ....and stuff  |
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Post by oldgrumpy on Aug 18, 2016 14:41:03 GMT
Good gracious!!! An update at last. SS has caught up. The offer of refinancing from C and C has fallen through. The borrower has paid a lump sum to clear his outstanding interest whilst he arranges another loan from friends and family in Dubai Ireland. Borrower expects a quick turnaround. We are working very closely with them. Quick turnaround. Well that's all right then. 78rpm?  (no mention of the any other failed attempt) |
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Post by martin44 on Aug 18, 2016 14:48:11 GMT
How exciting.. i may be a part owner of a welsh hotel soon. Not a big part with £24.00 i admit.  |
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Post by dualinvestor on Aug 18, 2016 15:08:45 GMT
So in over a month from being in legals via a non existant Building Society, to having fallen through. Oh dear |
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lofty
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Post by lofty on Aug 18, 2016 15:19:30 GMT
How exciting.. i may be a part owner of a welsh hotel soon. Not a big part with £24.00 i admit. For that amount you could be the owner of a whole room. Well, for one night anyway...
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oldgrumpy
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Post by oldgrumpy on Aug 18, 2016 15:23:05 GMT
You still in 1989 lofty ? You have to pay £24 (or more) in many youth hostels now for a bed in a dormitory, never mind a private room! |
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Post by dualinvestor on Aug 18, 2016 15:39:40 GMT
Double room will cost £63 for tonight.
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lofty
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Post by lofty on Aug 18, 2016 16:08:29 GMT
You still in 1989 lofty ? You have to pay £24 (or more) in many youth hostels now for a bed in a dormitory, never mind a private room! Maybe. Or maybe I just have a low opinion about Swansea 
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ben
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Post by ben on Aug 18, 2016 16:23:45 GMT
at least he has paid the interest up to date so but you wonder how long behind it was and how much behind others are
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