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Post by westcountryfunder on Oct 17, 2014 18:15:59 GMT
17th Oct 2014 at 17:15 Lender Update ... Despite numerous attempts yesterday afternoon and all day today to speak to the introducer we have been unable to speak to him....... I think we probably have a right to know the name of the introducer (on every loan), what say you? Yeah, it's (usually? always?) mentioned on the initial Credit Report, isn't it?
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Post by mikes1531 on Oct 17, 2014 19:00:38 GMT
The good news is that if you really believe this loan is going to be repaid very soon, there are some units available on the Aftermarket that would produce an 18% return for a short investment. And if you're quick, you could obtain that return for tonight as well! Perhaps I should have said "If you really believe in flying pigs..." There is £8.3k of loan units for sale at the moment for optimistic investors. If the demand letter goes out on Monday and the process of appointing a receiver is started, then the end date of this loan could be anything between a couple of days and six months or so from now. Has anyone tried to estimate what sort of sales price would be required six months from now in order to pay all the costs and accrued default interest that would have built up by then, and how that compares to the £3.1M property valuation? Hopefully it won't come to that, because the borrower appears to have an awful lot of equity in the property, and much of that would be lost in the process of a foreclosure sale. So they have a huge incentive to push the refinancing through.
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Post by silvertower on Oct 18, 2014 7:44:28 GMT
I will be interested to see how Monday goes. The time has clearly come for Assetz to get tough - but will they do it? Or, can we expect an update that runs along the lines of "We finally managed to speak to the introducer, blah blah, encouraging signs blah blah, so we are giving them another week to get refinancing sorted out..."
I hope that Assetz, having made the threat, now get on with it.
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Post by shimself on Oct 18, 2014 12:59:56 GMT
I will be interested to see how Monday goes. The time has clearly come for Assetz to get tough - but will they do it? Or, can we expect an update that runs along the lines of "We finally managed to speak to the introducer, blah blah, encouraging signs blah blah, so we are giving them another week to get refinancing sorted out..." I hope that Assetz, having made the threat, now get on with it. I strongly disagree, if the introducer/borrower has a decent story with evidence then go along. I doubt that they are delaying us for fun, and legal action will make it much harder to refinance won't it?
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Post by pepperpot on Oct 18, 2014 13:43:09 GMT
I too think it's better for all involved to give leeway if there is dialog and hopefully progress. When dialog stops, especially if it stops at the same time as a deadline/longstop date is passed, then it's time to start rapping knuckles, and only after the knuckle rapping doesn't generate a response, as a last resort, call in the receivers.
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Post by merlin on Oct 18, 2014 17:03:59 GMT
I too think it's better for all involved to give leeway if there is dialog and hopefully progress. When dialog stops, especially if it stops at the same time as a deadline/longstop date is passed, then it's time to start rapping knuckles, and only after the knuckle rapping doesn't generate a response, as a last resort, call in the receivers. I am sure AC are as strong as they can be in their demands for settlement. However do bear in mind that the FCA insist that both lenders and borrowers are treated fairly. Therefore in these cases a balance has to be struck between the demands of lenders and the ability of borrowers to meet those demands. Pushing up the interest rate strikes me as a very good tool to focus the borrowers minds and to placate the lenders when loans go over due. Clearly AC have other means to put pressure on but I am sure they don't want to tell the World about them.
Clearly when the pushing and shoving eventually fails, AC has to act litigiously to get the lenders money back but that must be the last resort as litigation is both expensive in time and costs. In my opinion AC did well in getting a solution to the FF problem although that ball is still well in play. In this case there is still the bricks and mortar to fall back on.
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Post by ilmoro on Oct 18, 2014 20:41:48 GMT
Maybe they should just phone the borrower direct. P2P was supposed to cut out the middle man, unfortunately in business/corporate/development finance they seem to have required more than one, so we still seem to have one too many. Net result seems to be a game of Chinese whispers where every thing gets a little bit lost in communication (or lack of) it seems!
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Oct 18, 2014 21:07:24 GMT
Maybe they should just phone the borrower direct. P2P was supposed to cut out the middle man, unfortunately in business/corporate/development finance they seem to have required more than one, so we still seem to have one too many. Net result seems to be a game of Chinese whispers where every thing gets a little bit lost in communication (or lack of) it seems! I think their are cases where the Borrower wants the Introducer to act for them and be their spokesperson and advisor, someone who knows how 'Banks' work and can use their understanding for their best gain, to stop them being abused by those same clever 'Banks'. The Introducers know these tricks of the trade as they may've worked for 'Banks' in the past in better times.
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Post by bengilbert on Oct 20, 2014 10:22:43 GMT
Latest update (I hope AC don't mind me posting these, please let me know if so)
"We received the requested update from the introducer over the weekend.
It appears that the delay was down to additions to the insurance policy required by the new lender (i.e. their interest being noted on the policy to ensure that any claims are directed to them). This is entirely plausible as it is an issue we see much of the time with our loans. Latest update here is that the necessary documentation is expected to be completed today which will allow refinance to complete either today or tomorrow.
On this basis we are happy to allow refinance to continue and will update lenders further when we have clarity around whether repayment will be today or tomorrow."
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Oct 20, 2014 10:47:18 GMT
Latest update (I hope AC don't mind me posting these, please let me know if so) "We received the requested update from the introducer over the weekend. It appears that the delay was down to additions to the insurance policy required by the new lender (i.e. their interest being noted on the policy to ensure that any claims are directed to them). This is entirely plausible as it is an issue we see much of the time with our loans. Latest update here is that the necessary documentation is expected to be completed today which will allow refinance to complete either today or tomorrow. On this basis we are happy to allow refinance to continue and will update lenders further when we have clarity around whether repayment will be today or tomorrow." And all of a sudden 53k of this has now disappeared from the AM
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Post by ilmoro on Oct 20, 2014 10:51:23 GMT
Latest update (I hope AC don't mind me posting these, please let me know if so) "We received the requested update from the introducer over the weekend. It appears that the delay was down to additions to the insurance policy required by the new lender (i.e. their interest being noted on the policy to ensure that any claims are directed to them). This is entirely plausible as it is an issue we see much of the time with our loans. Latest update here is that the necessary documentation is expected to be completed today which will allow refinance to complete either today or tomorrow. On this basis we are happy to allow refinance to continue and will update lenders further when we have clarity around whether repayment will be today or tomorrow." 'Just one more thing!' Columbo strikes again. Lets hope this repays today and gets the week off to a good start which then continues with L2L7 & Ang***sey repaying, the other delayed drawdowns finally occurring and the much publicised new site actually launching.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Oct 20, 2014 11:04:53 GMT
Makes one wonder why all these wonderfully clever solicitors and accountants and lawyers don't include all these stipulations and requirements in contracts to start with rather than "finding" them or "requiring " them, one at a time, at intervals, at the last moment, all contributing to delay and inefficiency (but still expecting substantial fees for their "services").
Why don't they do their jobs properly and efficiently to start with? (Not that I mind that much if we are being paid good interest during a delay).
I think we all have several answers to that question, but don't want to get banned from the forum.
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Post by batchoy on Oct 20, 2014 12:24:01 GMT
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Post by bg on Oct 20, 2014 14:36:15 GMT
Latest update (I hope AC don't mind me posting these, please let me know if so) "We received the requested update from the introducer over the weekend. It appears that the delay was down to additions to the insurance policy required by the new lender (i.e. their interest being noted on the policy to ensure that any claims are directed to them). This is entirely plausible as it is an issue we see much of the time with our loans. Latest update here is that the necessary documentation is expected to be completed today which will allow refinance to complete either today or tomorrow. On this basis we are happy to allow refinance to continue and will update lenders further when we have clarity around whether repayment will be today or tomorrow." And all of a sudden 53k of this has now disappeared from the AM Why does this happen, I can never understand it? People snap it up to pick up the one day's interest in case it repays tomorrow (if it repays today they get zero). If it doesn't repay by tomorrow we are back in the same old situation (if not worse) where you run the risk of loss of income and capital. All the risk for next to no rewards - baffling.
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Post by andy2001 on Oct 20, 2014 15:41:50 GMT
And all of a sudden 53k of this has now disappeared from the AM Why does this happen, I can never understand it? People snap it up to pick up the one day's interest in case it repays tomorrow (if it repays today they get zero). If it doesn't repay by tomorrow we are back in the same old situation (if not worse) where you run the risk of loss of income and capital. All the risk for next to no rewards - baffling. When units are removed from the aftermarket, there's no way to know if they where sold or just removed by the seller.
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