blender
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Post by blender on Oct 3, 2015 14:44:31 GMT
RBR is "Risk Band Removed", FC's way of preventing sale of a loan when it hits problems Thanks Stevet - I should have put it in full. Eddie's numbers now look more reasonable. The idea of having almost £23k of earnings subject to risk band removed is the stuff of nightmares. The defaults have to fall somewhere, but sorry that some forumites are badly hit. No defaults on property (yet).
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nick
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Post by nick on Oct 3, 2015 16:45:52 GMT
well, i thought i was going to get away with 22000 23000 net earnings but no, im actually coming out with 600 on the day, as there are loans that are not marked up as defaults that i cant sell, as in fc wont let me list them, i guess they will trickle in over the next couple of years or not. hmmm.... im not sour graping but this excercise has been counter productive. on the plus side i have been encouraged to save money that i would have spent, also learned a bit about finance lingo. i think if the summary page showed how much you actually invested as well as all the other figures they put up you might have a more realistic veiw and subsequent expectation of your performance. martin lewis explains how you can have 3 santander current accounts that would have returned more and enhance your credit rating, and as im into saving up deposits for property might be the way to go. its going to take some time to re diversify my ss account now too as i have just doubled it up. One thing you should keep in mind with SS is that you are exposed to massive concentration risk, ie SS' credit. Unlike P2P platforms where the lender has a direct loan agreement with the underlying borrower (with the platform only providing an administrative function), with SS they are the borrower (the underlying loans and security are just notional). Were SS to go bust for any reason (fraud at SS or one of their large borrowers, failure of one or more of their large loans, liabilities arising from other activities SS undertakes which we may not even be aware of, etc, etc), then we would all be unsecured creditors, and in the extreme, could suffer a complete loss . I understand that SS are in the process of restructuring so to reduce lender's exposure to their credit, but I have yet to review the changes/proposed changes and would be surprised if we are not still exposed to their credit risk in the extreme. The risk of SS going down may be low, but you certainty don't want to much of your overall investment/savings with them if they do!
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eddie
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Post by eddie on Oct 3, 2015 19:08:49 GMT
well, i thought i was going to get away with 22000 23000 net earnings but no, im actually coming out with 600 on the day, as there are loans that are not marked up as defaults that i cant sell, as in fc wont let me list them, i guess they will trickle in over the next couple of years or not. hmmm.... im not sour graping but this excercise has been counter productive. on the plus side i have been encouraged to save money that i would have spent, also learned a bit about finance lingo. i think if the summary page showed how much you actually invested as well as all the other figures they put up you might have a more realistic veiw and subsequent expectation of your performance. martin lewis explains how you can have 3 santander current accounts that would have returned more and enhance your credit rating, and as im into saving up deposits for property might be the way to go. its going to take some time to re diversify my ss account now too as i have just doubled it up. One thing you should keep in mind with SS is that you are exposed to massive concentration risk, ie SS' credit. Unlike P2P platforms where the lender has a direct loan agreement with the underlying borrower (with the platform only providing an administrative function), with SS they are the borrower (the underlying loans and security are just notional). Were SS to go bust for any reason (fraud at SS or one of their large borrowers, failure of one or more of their large loans, liabilities arising from other activities SS undertakes which we may not even be aware of, etc, etc), then we would all be unsecured creditors, and in the extreme, could suffer a complete loss . I understand that SS are in the process of restructuring so to reduce lender's exposure to their credit, but I have yet to review the changes/proposed changes and would be surprised if we are not still exposed to their credit risk in the extreme. The risk of SS going down may be low, but you certainty don't want to much of your overall investment/savings with them if they do! oooooh, frying can....fire then
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Post by markr on Oct 5, 2015 11:56:59 GMT
in fact i dont know what my position is as i dont know how to see how much cash i actually put in without going thru pages and pages. In theory, if you take your "Funding Circle total" and subtract your "Net earnings" you are left with the amount of cash you have deposited. I say "in theory" because one of FC's long-standing bugs is that loan parts go astray or get double-counted so this figure is always right. It should be a reasonable approximation, though, unless you were very active in last-minute bidfests. To be honest, it would be worth going through your FC statements totting up your deposits, because it may be that your FC total is well out, and you would want FC to investigate it. I did it recently, I just went through each month in my FC statements, searched for "EPQD" (a unique string that only occurs on a deposit entry), and totted up the deposits. It took a couple of hours to do about 4 years of statements and I found my account was out by about 70 quid out, in my favour.
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Post by timmo on Oct 6, 2015 10:20:52 GMT
I'm new to FC and i'm trying to get my head around the impact of premiums when buying on the secondary markets. Seems you can get higher interest rates buying on the secondary markets and I understand that the preium is already reflected in the buyers rate.
But if a loan is paid back early the buyer could see a negative return as they will only recieve the principal.
So I guess I have three questions;
1) is what I just said correct or am I missing something? 2) is there data on early repayment rates so I can try to incorporate this into my decisions? 3) If so... how would I go about this? It seems extremely complicated to evaluate when including this early repayment risk on premium loan parts. Anyone fancy sharing some tips for a newb?
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Post by SteveT on Oct 6, 2015 10:26:41 GMT
I'm new to FC and i'm trying to get my head around the impact of premiums when buying on the secondary markets. Seems you can get higher interest rates buying on the secondary markets and I understand that the preium is already reflected in the buyers rate. But if a loan is paid back early the buyer could see a negative return as they will only recieve the principal. So I guess I have three questions; 1) is what I just said correct or am I missing something? 2) is there data on early repayment rates so I can try to incorporate this into my decisions? 3) If so... how would I go about this? It seems extremely complicated to evaluate when including this early repayment risk on premium loan parts. Anyone fancy sharing some tips for a newb? 1) Yup, you've got it 2) Nothing official I'm aware of but I've had 10-15 early repayments over 300+ loans (in the last year) 3) If you buy something at a rate you like that's up to maybe 3 months old, that's fair enough. Personally I wouldn't buy loans older than that (I sell most of mine at 6 months, when the stats show that defaults start ramping up) but there are others who reckon its better to buy 18+ month old loans with a clean payment history. With fixed rates just 10 days old, there are still a fair few "variable rate" loan parts available at rates well above the new fixed ones; this is unlikely to be the case for very long (and rates are dropping daily already).
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Post by SteveT on Oct 6, 2015 10:37:07 GMT
timmo, also be aware that many of the property loan parts on the SM offer a better buyer rate than the headline interest rate (ie. are offered at a discount). This is because the original buyer will have bought it with cashback of between 0.5%-2% and effectively is handing on some of the CB value in order to sell their parts faster. If you are patient and wait for new property loans to be listed with CB then you can get full benefit for yourself, but buying discounted property loan parts at good rates is a sensible way of diversifying quickly. Remember that the property loans are asset-backed (secured via 1st charge on the properties) whereas most of the SME loans are totally unsecured (with only the fig-leaf of a personal guarantee in the event of default).
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timmo
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Post by timmo on Oct 6, 2015 10:54:35 GMT
Ok cool. This is what I have been doing already, buying some A+ and A property loans at discount or par with decent interest.
Over the last few days it seems like you can still get 18%+ on E loans through the 'bidding' market so if I want a few risky bits later seems like the returns are still there. I made my account about 2 weeks ago when people were still bidding for loans so but by the time I got round to putting some money in and bidding on a few everything started changing! Very confusing. That's what got me looking properly at the secondary market.
FC is kind of addictive, time consuming though. Maybe I should have gone for ratesetter lol.
Thanks for the advice, much appreciated
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Post by aloanatlast on Oct 6, 2015 12:57:05 GMT
Over the last few days it seems like you can still get 18%+ on E loans through the 'bidding' market Only if you can stare at the screen all day without blinking.
Apparently there was a £40K C released at 1 pm. Only 1 flipper was interested, but Autobid finished it off in half an hour.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Oct 6, 2015 15:36:23 GMT
What I want to know (among other things) is who are the folks buying the 13 month (unsecured!) A+s at 6% (apart from autobodgers). A couple have now wandered in and gotten funded .. somehow..
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Post by Steerpike on Oct 6, 2015 15:45:03 GMT
What I want to know (among other things) is who are the folks buying the 13 month (unsecured!) A+s at 6% (apart from autobodgers). A couple have now wandered in and gotten funded .. somehow.. S****59 seems to like 16301 very much, many times per minute.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 6, 2015 18:56:32 GMT
No, Becky promises there's only been two people been naughty in the last week...
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blender
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Post by blender on Oct 6, 2015 19:20:50 GMT
And she will be very strict with them if they continue.
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Post by fasty on Oct 6, 2015 19:31:56 GMT
And she will be very strict with them if they continue. Firm Chastisement ?
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Post by adrianc on Oct 6, 2015 20:49:28 GMT
...with Furry Cuffs...
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