jcb208
Member of DD Central
Posts: 838
Likes: 638
|
Post by jcb208 on Aug 6, 2016 9:26:55 GMT
Off loaded mine last night as well ,much quicker then I expected as there was £120k queue ahead.Was not to concerned with the security but the person we are dealing with
|
|
|
Post by easilyparted on Aug 6, 2016 9:59:01 GMT
You trying to get me banned,my lips are sealed,who is Mr X and where is this tin shed I assume the borrorower in this loan has previously upset you in some way easilyparted. I am on a final warning and I am not prepared to discuss the borrower in open forum.I could easily see why you might make this assumption.
|
|
Jeepers
Member of DD Central
Posts: 818
Likes: 721
|
Post by Jeepers on Aug 6, 2016 10:09:05 GMT
My guess is that easilyparted is a farmer who's had his farm repossessed by our borrower and therefore has taken it personally. If you don't repay a secured loan then the asset is repossessed which SS (us investors) will be doing if our borrower fails to repay. That's just how it goes. Perhaps I'm missing the point here but our borrower is making a good living out of providing finance at high rates and then repossessing people's property when they fail to repay. If that goes against what you believe to be ethically correct then maybe you, as an investor should consider putting your money elsewhere.
|
|
dovap
Member of DD Central
Posts: 467
Likes: 410
|
Post by dovap on Aug 6, 2016 10:40:27 GMT
Perhaps I'm missing the point here but our borrower is making a good living out of providing finance at high rates and then repossessing people's property when they fail to repay. If that goes against what you believe to be ethically correct then maybe you, as an investor should consider putting your money elsewhere. Yep you're missing the point completely (as are a few others unless the aim is in closing the thread or taking it off course) Little point going over it again as it's been well covered. hth
|
|
|
Post by harryvederci on Aug 6, 2016 10:59:16 GMT
Good that savingstream have reverted back to the valuer for confirmation
Valuation report para 1.6 : legal interest to be valued freehold with vacant possession
But the valuation reported is not with vacant possession empty and for sale, its an investment valuation applying an 8% yield to the adjusted rents?
Surely this should be no different to BTL valuations required by the banks where the valuer has to report both investment value and vacant possession value on the same property, to protect the lender from an overrent situation, especially where connected landlord/tenant parties are concerned which is the case here.
Report Appendix 5 the valuation has been instructed not by the lender but by the tenant. Surely a connected borrower party should not be commissioning his own mortgage valuation?
Last point Valuation Report para 3.3 ; planning for a new industrial unit with subsequent amendments for new windows and doors. Hence its an industrial unit part kitted out as offices, as opposed to a purpose built brick/glass office building, yes?
Does anyone know how many other office buildings are on this business park, according to the Rating List they're all industrial.
|
|
|
Post by meledor on Aug 6, 2016 11:42:41 GMT
Perhaps I'm missing the point here but our borrower is making a good living out of providing finance at high rates and then repossessing people's property when they fail to repay. If that goes against what you believe to be ethically correct then maybe you, as an investor should consider putting your money elsewhere. Yep you're missing the point completely (as are a few others unless the aim is in closing the thread or taking it off course) Little point going over it again as it's been well covered. hth The point is that judging by the Radio 4 'Face the Facts' "A C****** Rogue" transcript the borrowers do not appear to have much financial common sense. It is therefore difficult to know what to make of their allegations. All of them were already in financial difficulties with existing lenders demanding repayment or experiencing problems with their bank. The transcript seems to indicate surprise from borrowers that fees and interest would be deducted upfront which for one borrower meant he could not complete the construction of a new cow shed which was the whole point of taking out the loan indicating a failure to read the loan agreement. As for the allegation that they were promised an exit route then surely if this was so fundamental to them then they should have insisted it be made contractual? Where were their legal advisors?
|
|
|
Post by easilyparted on Aug 6, 2016 12:49:22 GMT
My guess is that easilyparted is a farmer who's had his farm repossessed by our borrower and therefore has taken it personally. I've still got my farm,although I could have lost it .What I have taken personally is the way in which vulnerable,trusting people were taken advantage of.Did you not think 100% default rate on the previous loan scheme as slightly strange? I could illustrate this considerably better outside the confines of this forum,but I think most people have worked it out, and realised that perhaps there is more to this than meets the eye.
|
|
|
Post by geraldine1210 on Aug 6, 2016 14:48:16 GMT
Yep you're missing the point completely (as are a few others unless the aim is in closing the thread or taking it off course) Little point going over it again as it's been well covered. hth The point is that judging by the Radio 4 'Face the Facts' "A C****** Rogue" transcript the borrowers do not appear to have much financial common sense. It is therefore difficult to know what to make of their allegations. All of them were already in financial difficulties with existing lenders demanding repayment or experiencing problems with their bank. The transcript seems to indicate surprise from borrowers that fees and interest would be deducted upfront which for one borrower meant he could not complete the construction of a new cow shed which was the whole point of taking out the loan indicating a failure to read the loan agreement. As for the allegation that they were promised an exit route then surely if this was so fundamental to them then they should have insisted it be made contractual? Where were their legal advisors?
These farmers have often been struggling for years. A lifebelt is thrown to them. They grab it gratefully. The lifeblelt turns out to be a heavy block of concrete.
|
|
ilmoro
Member of DD Central
'Wondering which of the bu***rs to blame, and watching for pigs on the wing.' - Pink Floyd
Posts: 11,334
Likes: 11,558
|
Post by ilmoro on Aug 6, 2016 15:27:07 GMT
Yep you're missing the point completely (as are a few others unless the aim is in closing the thread or taking it off course) Little point going over it again as it's been well covered. hth The point is that judging by the Radio 4 'Face the Facts' "A C****** Rogue" transcript the borrowers do not appear to have much financial common sense. It is therefore difficult to know what to make of their allegations. All of them were already in financial difficulties with existing lenders demanding repayment or experiencing problems with their bank. The transcript seems to indicate surprise from borrowers that fees and interest would be deducted upfront which for one borrower meant he could not complete the construction of a new cow shed which was the whole point of taking out the loan indicating a failure to read the loan agreement. As for the allegation that they were promised an exit route then surely if this was so fundamental to them then they should have insisted it be made contractual? Where were their legal advisors?
I think if you read to HoP debate transcript you'll see that one of the issues were the various relationships between parties including legal advisors & subsequently even the police authority. Protection of people without 'much financial sense' would seem to be a primary purpose of the regulators, hence the current protracted IFISA process.
|
|
duck
Member of DD Central
Posts: 2,882
Likes: 6,974
|
Post by duck on Aug 6, 2016 15:45:26 GMT
...... Does anyone know how many other office buildings are on this business park, according to the Rating List they're all industrial. If you have a look on Google Maps you can have a good walk round and even peer through the trees! Look out for the dead end though, some nasty looking rubbish in there ..... but to answer your question in that exact area 'industry' predominates with the usual suspects present.
|
|
|
Post by harryvederci on Aug 6, 2016 16:23:00 GMT
thanks duck the reason I was asking is that the comparables on the valuation report seem to be modern purpose built brick/glass office blocks in Bristol etc
no doubt the valuer confirmation will give comfort, as will the imminent marketing for sale which will be provided on the next update?
|
|
|
Post by grodecki on Aug 6, 2016 18:24:17 GMT
30k ish sold over the past 24h, selling my very very small holding in this, should be gone within a few days. Only thing I've got left which currently has available parts on the market
|
|
greeb
Member of DD Central
Posts: 56
Likes: 55
|
Post by greeb on Aug 6, 2016 20:21:15 GMT
120k in the queue when I put mine up for sale as soon as the borrower furore broke. Thought it would be stuck beyond repayment but sold in a few days. Kudos to ss for having an effective secondary market and mental note that there must be plenty of investors out here who do not follow this forum.never more than just over 5% of the total loan up for sale which I find very surprising. Good luck and take heart others in the sale queue. Let's hope for a happy ending all round. Salvage your rep with p2p lenders pls mr borrower.
|
|
oldgrumpy
Member of DD Central
Posts: 5,087
Likes: 3,233
|
Post by oldgrumpy on Aug 6, 2016 20:34:56 GMT
I think there's little more worth saying at present. PBL056 comes up for repayment in one month. Let's see if Barclay's comes up trumps ... assuming they have actually made the offer the borrower has advised. I presume all the updates are a result of the "regular contact" SS has with the borrower. I think SS has more pressing problems currently with certain overdue loans. No more boaty loans, yet are we all sailing too close to the wind in many cases? 1 week ago Refinance with Barclays still underway. Borrower advised next week hopefully, depending on the lenders legals.
4 weeks ago New lender in legals still.
1 month ago New lender in legals.
2 months ago Advised that repayment expected early next month.
2 months ago Repayment expected before the end of May.
3 months ago Expecting repayment imminently.
3 months ago Expected repayment by the end of the month.
|
|
|
Post by harryvederci on Aug 6, 2016 21:36:15 GMT
it would surely help if SS could simply state on the borrower updates for refinance, sale etc we have seen/not seen supporting documentary evidence
|
|