mikes1531
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Post by mikes1531 on Nov 5, 2015 19:17:28 GMT
Isn't there an option that allows you to use part, or all, of the tax credit in the prior year instead? I was under the impression that if I bought some qualifying VCT shares today -- i.e. during 2015/16 -- that I could use as much as I like of the tax benefit against my 2014/15 tax return (the one that has to be submitted by next January). No I don't think that is right. That is the case with EIS, but not with VCT. Perhaps it used to be the case, VCTs have been around for a long time and have changed quite a bit. When you apply towards the end of the (tax) year there is often box to split your investment into the next year. So the application form with have Invest Amount 2015/16: and Invest Amount 2016/17 but not backwards. bigfoot12: Thanks for that. I probably am confusing EIS with VCT, so I apologise for raising some people's hopes for no good reason.
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Post by stevio on Nov 5, 2015 21:21:20 GMT
Isn't there an option that allows you to use part, or all, of the tax credit in the prior year instead? I was under the impression that if I bought some qualifying VCT shares today -- i.e. during 2015/16 -- that I could use as much as I like of the tax benefit against my 2014/15 tax return (the one that has to be submitted by next January). No I don't think that is right. That is the case with EIS, but not with VCT. Perhaps it used to be the case, VCTs have been around for a long time and have changed quite a bit. When you apply towards the end of the (tax) year there is often box to split your investment into the next year. So the application form with have Invest Amount 2015/16: and Invest Amount 2016/17 but not backwards. That would be good if you happen to over invest in VCT's, you can carry forward to next tax year
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Post by bigfoot12 on Nov 5, 2015 21:25:50 GMT
That would be good if you happen to over invest in VCT's, you can carry forward to next tax year No, sorry, I've not been clear. You can't carry it forward either, but many application forms allow you to split it across two years. Sometimes there is a minimum of, say, £5,000, but you can do (on the same form) £2,500 this year and £2,500 next year, but the payment for both goes with the application form and the year is fixed.
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Post by james on Nov 6, 2015 17:29:26 GMT
No I don't think that is right. That is the case with EIS, but not with VCT. Perhaps it used to be the case, VCTs have been around for a long time and have changed quite a bit. When you apply towards the end of the (tax) year there is often box to split your investment into the next year. So the application form with have Invest Amount 2015/16: and Invest Amount 2016/17 but not backwards. That would be good if you happen to over invest in VCT's, you can carry forward to next tax year You can't carry forward until next year. Some offers made in November one year may end in September the next year. Such offers are available in two tax years but you must specify at the time you apply how much is to be put into each tax year. Any money you specify as being for the next year will be held until after the start of that new tax year then used to make the purchase in that tax year. You cannot decide after the end of the tax year that you wanted more or less than the amount already specified in the earlier of the two tax years. This is just like the common ISA situation where an application form asks you to say which tax year you want the subscription to be for and you can pick the current or next tax year. The risk of over-investing and not getting all of the potentially available VCT relief is why I don't have zero as my income tax target. I know that my estimates aren't perfect so I need some safety margin.
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stevio
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Post by stevio on Nov 7, 2015 12:16:35 GMT
Whats the earliest you can fill in a Self Assessment Tax Return online?
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Post by bigfoot12 on Nov 7, 2015 12:47:07 GMT
Whats the earliest you can fill in a Self Assessment Tax Return online? Don't know, but I often don't get all the paperwork from the banks and investment companies until the end of May. Some of the P2P outfits take longer.
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Post by stevio on Nov 7, 2015 12:51:41 GMT
Also I am guessing that it won't let you submit unless you have already submitted for previous year - eg. if your not submitting till Jan 2016 for 14/15, it won't let you start completing 15/16 till you have submitted 14/15
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Post by bigfoot12 on Nov 7, 2015 13:25:46 GMT
If you haven't already registered it might be worth looking into that now. I haven't done that for a while, but when I did they sent part of the password through the post which took about 2 weeks. Might be different now.
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Post by james on Nov 8, 2015 0:49:28 GMT
Whats the earliest you can fill in a Self Assessment Tax Return online? I don't know the strict earliest but you certainly can do it on the day the new tax year starts. I don't currently see an option to start for 2015/16 online even though it is possible to save returns without submitting them. I assume that at the earliest it won't be available until after the Autumn Statement that may change some rules for the current year. You can use estimates for numbers that you don't know and tell HMRC which numbers are estimates. There's a check box to say that the return contains estimated numbers. Once you get final numbers you can amend as needed and submit that amended version, either with no estimates or still with some. HMRC was in my case happy enough refunding me many thousands of Pounds in VCT relief based on an estimated return done just after the start of the current tax year. You can do an online amendment until 12 months after the 31 January following the end of the relevant tax year, that is 12 months after the usual filing deadline. At the moment I have online options that allow me to file amended tax returns for 2013/14 or 2014/15 but not the now-expired 2012/13. The "Tax return options" screen where you can see these tells you the online deadline for each year when you select it. Estimates are also how you can avoid penalties for late filing if you leave it to the last minute. Just file with estimated values for anything you don't know and you avoid the penalty for late filing.
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Post by stevio on Nov 13, 2015 15:15:50 GMT
How do you estimate your P2P interest, what with some investments being only 6 months, potential losses, various interest rates etc?
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Post by james on Nov 13, 2015 15:33:25 GMT
How do you estimate your P2P interest, what with some investments being only 6 months, potential losses, various interest rates etc? HMRC knows that an estimate is an estimate, not a guarantee. Options can include: 1. Assuming that you'll maintain about the same amounts invested at about the same rates even if the underlying loans and platforms change. 2. Using projected interest flows for platforms that provide this information. Bondora does though not particularly accurately. You estimate exchange rates as well if necessary. 3. You use your judgement to work out what seems like a sensible way to handle each case with the objective of minimising the error in the estimate. I use a mixture of those approaches depending on the particular income type involved.
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Post by james on Nov 23, 2015 15:12:47 GMT
The Albion VCTs 2015/16 offers are now open, for all of their VCTs. Opening was 17 November 2015. Cheques will be cashed within 3 days of receipt but they do accept post-dated cheques if necessary (you probably get your queue position based on the later date, though). More than one cheque per application is OK. First allocation period closes on 29 January 2016 and allocations of shares from that one will be made on 30 January. This is the closing date for the 0.5% new investor or 1% existing investor early bird discount. If you have questions the phone number at their site provided their usual fast and good service to me earlier today answering some of my questions. I don't yet see a reseller offering additional discounts beyond the early bird one but it's still early days. HL says none from them. Many other VCTs will open their offers in the next couple of weeks so if you don't mind the risk of not participating and don't want the asset-backed aspect of the Albion VCT specifically (not all, just the one with that name) then you might want to see what else opens up this year before making a decision.
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Post by stevio on Nov 24, 2015 12:11:10 GMT
Spoke with H&L and they said the Albion VCT will be available through them shortly (didn't specify how long 'shortly' is though)
They also gave the following details:
Amount seeking: £25.5 million
Minimum investment: £6,000
Initial charge: 3%
Initial discount: 0%
‘Early bird’: 1% for existing investors in any Albion VCT, 0.5% for new investors (for applications accepted before 29 January 2016)
Net initial charge for existing investors: 2% before 29 January 2016, 3% thereafter (so total discount 1%, then 0%)
Net initial charge for new investors: 2.5% before 29 January 2016, 3% thereafter (so total discount 0.5%, then 0%)
So would H&L be cheaper than buying direct?
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Post by james on Nov 24, 2015 14:53:41 GMT
So would H&L be cheaper than buying direct? Not without some discount beyond that early bird one. Other places will also offer it and may offer an additional discount if there is provision for the VCT to pay them trail commission. I haven't read the terms enough yet to know if commission will bee paid and if so, on what terms.
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Post by stevio on Nov 24, 2015 18:02:58 GMT
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