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Post by mrclondon on Feb 28, 2014 18:01:10 GMT
I've just had a brief message from FS saying that they have defaulted a loan that recently hit its maturity date. The watch and 3 rings are due to be auctioned on 1st April. The message does add that interest continues to accrue until the assets are sold. This looks like the first major test of the FS business model, and it will be interesting to see whether enough is raised to settle our and FS's positions.
I think this was the smallest loan so far, just £500, and in the days before bidding limits were introduced it took just 5 of us to fund it.
I can't help but wonder whether there is an inverse relationship between the size of the loan and its probability of ending in default.
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Post by davee39 on Feb 28, 2014 18:39:37 GMT
Is default the correct term? Under pawnbroking rules the borrower is entitled not to repay so this should be considered to be a non redeemed item. I believe this a significant part of the profit stream for high street pawnbrokers with a low LTV.
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Post by ramblin rose on Feb 28, 2014 20:55:05 GMT
Let's hope were not made out to be fools on auction day! Yes indeed - what a very unfortunate date they've chosen
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 1, 2014 4:32:55 GMT
Let's hope were not made out to be fools on auction day! Yes indeed - what a very unfortunate date they've chosen I managed to miss that loan, but I'll be watching the reports with interest. I've had a few loans paid off early. The one I have that's nearest to 'maturity' has 27 days left to run, so that will run out just before this lot goes to auction. Since I'm not in this one I can't even look at the details unless someone is kind enough to let me know the URL. I suppose the loan number is really all I need -- the short (4-digit?) one at the end of the URL, not the long (9- or 10-digit) Loan Reference. If you don't think it's appropriate to post the URL on this public forum, feel free to send it to me in a PM. Thanks -- and good luck with the auction.
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Post by elljay on Mar 1, 2014 8:28:35 GMT
I thought something out of the ordinary was going on with this one, as last time I looked it had 4 days left to run then yesterday that turned to 13. Haven't got this one, but assuming the "Days remaining" works the same as other loans, the count goes down to zero, then rather than go negative starts count back up again, so really it's counting "Days overdue" at that stage!
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Post by andy2001 on Mar 1, 2014 15:56:31 GMT
Also a Camera loan on which a renewal was planned has not yet had the interest paid, so may be defaulted on the March 3rd if it's still not paid.
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Post by andy2001 on Mar 1, 2014 15:58:44 GMT
Is default the correct term? Under pawnbroking rules the borrower is entitled not to repay so this should be considered to be a non redeemed item. I believe this a significant part of the profit stream for high street pawnbrokers with a low LTV. I'm sure if it's the correct term, but it's the term that Funding Secure use.
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 1, 2014 16:12:01 GMT
I thought something out of the ordinary was going on with this one, as last time I looked it had 4 days left to run then yesterday that turned to 13. Haven't got this one, but assuming the "Days remaining" works the same as other loans, the count goes down to zero, then rather than go negative starts count back up again, so really it's counting "Days overdue" at that stage! That's an interesting possibility. The one thing that's distinctly lacking in my FS account -- unless it's there and I just haven't found it yet -- is a statement of any sort. And, in particular, there's no date information anywhere that I've seen. I have a list of my completed loans, for instance, but there's no indication when they were bid on, or when they were drawn down, or when they were repaid. Similarly, I have a list of my existing loans, but I don't know when they started or when they mature (unless I try to work that out from the number of Days Remaining). Am I missing something? Or is the info we're being supplied rather inadequate? PS. Here's another oddity I came across in my list of Active Investments... All my loan parts that have more than 150 days left to run are showing Earnings To Date that are 30 days worth of interest. That's fine, because I know there's a 30 day minimum term for FS loans. But I also have some loan parts with 136 days remaining and they're showing the same 30 days' worth of Earnings To Date, and I don't think that's right. I can't work out the Earnings To Date on my other loans either. For instance, my loan that's closest to maturity has 27 days left, and is for £50 at 13%. My calculation of the accrued interest is £50 * 13% * (155/365) = £2.76 [155 days is six months (182 days) less the 27 days remaining]. I think the numbers in the Earnings To Date column are after the 15% FS lender's fee, so I'd expect to see £2.35 there. What's actually there, however, is £1.75, and I can't explain that at all. Has anyone else tried to reconcile their accrued interest? Were you successful? Am I doing something wrong?
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Post by andy2001 on Mar 4, 2014 16:07:09 GMT
Also a Camera loan on which a renewal was planned has not yet had the interest paid, so may be defaulted on the March 3rd if it's still not paid. This one did get the fees paid so no default there.
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 4, 2014 17:34:53 GMT
Also a Camera loan on which a renewal was planned has not yet had the interest paid, so may be defaulted on the March 3rd if it's still not paid. This one did get the fees paid so no default there. Is that the same one that is now showing as a fully funded live loan? With respect to the defaulting loan that started this thread... It's not the same one that's also now showing as a fully funded live loan, is it? I don't think so, because the OP referred to a watch and three rings, whereas the security for the live loan is two watches and two rings, but I just though I'd ask to be sure.
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Post by mrclondon on Mar 4, 2014 20:38:36 GMT
With respect to the defaulting loan that started this thread... It's not the same one that's also now showing as a fully funded live loan, is it? I don't think so, because the OP referred to a watch and three rings, whereas the security for the live loan is two watches and two rings, but I just though I'd ask to be sure. No different one. This renewing one is a bit different to what we've seen before though - its a refinance roughly part way through the term where they have paid the interest due to date, and provided extra assets (1 watch plus 2 rings) to increase the loan size.
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Post by andy2001 on Mar 4, 2014 20:56:03 GMT
This one did get the fees paid so no default there. Is that the same one that is now showing as a fully funded live loan? With respect to the defaulting loan that started this thread... It's not the same one that's also now showing as a fully funded live loan, is it? I don't think so, because the OP referred to a watch and three rings, whereas the security for the live loan is two watches and two rings, but I just though I'd ask to be sure. The loan I'm talking about is a camera loan that's now renewed, and funded. It's a different loan to the one that this thread was started for. I had emails about the loan being renewed, then another about the payments not having been paid in, and a possible default on the 3rd of March. But it did get paid so no default after all.
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 5, 2014 19:12:09 GMT
I think my train of thought has been derailed. With all of the intervening issues I think I've lost track of the original message in the thread.
Do I have it correctly that the loan mentioned in the OP remains in default and that its security still is headed for auction on 1/Apr?
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Post by mrclondon on Mar 5, 2014 22:08:06 GMT
I think my train of thought has been derailed. With all of the intervening issues I think I've lost track of the original message in the thread. Do I have it correctly that the loan mentioned in the OP remains in default and that its security still is headed for auction on 1/Apr? Correct.
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 9, 2014 3:02:29 GMT
Here's another oddity I came across in my list of Active Investments... All my loan parts that have more than 150 days left to run are showing Earnings To Date that are 30 days worth of interest. That's fine, because I know there's a 30 day minimum term for FS loans. But I also have some loan parts with 136 days remaining and they're showing the same 30 days' worth of Earnings To Date, and I don't think that's right. I can't work out the Earnings To Date on my other loans either. For instance, my loan that's closest to maturity has 27 days left, and is for £50 at 13%. My calculation of the accrued interest is £50 * 13% * (155/365) = £2.76 [155 days is six months (182 days) less the 27 days remaining]. I think the numbers in the Earnings To Date column are after the 15% FS lender's fee, so I'd expect to see £2.35 there. What's actually there, however, is £1.75, and I can't explain that at all. Has anyone else tried to reconcile their accrued interest? Were you successful? Am I doing something wrong? Not having had any response to the above in the P2PIF, I raised the issue with FS directly. Since it really has nothing to do with the topic of this thread I'm going to continue it in the "Still got gremlins" thread.
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