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Post by CircLender on Feb 6, 2016 22:38:09 GMT
batchoy,
Please get your facts right. CircLender is NOT a lender. We merely provide the platform to facilitate, formalise and track repayment of friends & family loans. If you think that USD 5 is not worth for the services we offer, I suggest you ignore the website for the time being and revisit us again later. You may have different views/opinions when you are not arguing for the sake of arguing. I have got my facts right having read your small print, but you seem to want to mislead people through title of this thread, the name of your business and a lot of your website text blurb. I can foresee that a lot of people will end up parting with funds thinking you are a lending platform. Even in your responses on this thread you make statements like 'borrowing through Cirlender' which is wholly misleading when no funds pass through Circlender, all Circlender provides is a set of tools to for the borrowers and lenders to manage the loan, and legal documents that may not stand up in a court of law when the crunch comes. Personally I would spend the £75, as I have done in the past, and get a proper loan agreement that is applicable to England and Wales, comes with relevant legal advice and has been drawn up a fully indemnified solicitor. batchoy, I have not seen you signing up for the beta testing program. To be fair to us, why don't you go through our web services one time before giving your comments? For the 'borrowing through Cirlender' complaint, if you don't like the wording, I will just change to 'borrowing using Cirlender platform'. Satisfy? I am just curious... If you think that you can have better solutions else where, why are you wasting your time with this website? Even to the extend that criticising the wording that we used in the beta version.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 7, 2016 8:51:47 GMT
Clearly "beta version" no longer means "testing, looking for problems before go-live, inviting feedback", but is more along the lines of "advance marketing blurb".
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Post by CircLender on Feb 7, 2016 9:16:37 GMT
Clearly "beta version" no longer means "testing, looking for problems before go-live, inviting feedback", but is more along the lines of "advance marketing blurb". Hi adrianc, You are right... initially my intention is to have a technical beta to test out the scripts, find bugs, etc. However, based on the feedback from the beta testers these few days, most of the suggestions I gathered are on UX, program flow or even links' color... It is more like a marketing beta now. Anyway, we will still be focusing in what we planned to accomplish in the beta stage.
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Post by Mike on Feb 7, 2016 18:10:26 GMT
If I wanted to lend to someone who was a friend (that I already trust) I dont understand why I need this site. They're my friend I'd lend them the money interest free.
My trustworthy friends and family members are not people I want to levy interest on, with any need they have.
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Post by Mike on Feb 7, 2016 18:11:15 GMT
I wonder how your friendships work
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Post by CircLender on Feb 8, 2016 0:35:51 GMT
If I wanted to lend to someone who was a friend (that I already trust) I dont understand why I need this site. They're my friend I'd lend them the money interest free. My trustworthy friends and family members are not people I want to levy interest on, with any need they have. xell, Then you are lucky. Often, friends and family loans went bad because of not managed properly. CircLender offers a better way to help people manage friends and family loans. We help our users croudsource loans, formalise arrangement and also keep track of repayment. In addition, our system allows friends and family members to help out each other financially without interest. The website is not about helping lender to make a profit from their social circle, rather, our objective is to offer a better way for friends and family members to help out each other financially.
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Post by ben on Feb 8, 2016 8:18:37 GMT
to be fair it is not something I would have any need for or anybody on here probably would, I think most people that use this site would be quite easy to keep track of any money lent to friends or family. I would have thought this kind of thing would have been better as an app rather then a proper website
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Post by CircLender on Feb 8, 2016 8:26:40 GMT
to be fair it is not something I would have any need for or anybody on here probably would, I think most people that use this site would be quite easy to keep track of any money lent to friends or family. I would have thought this kind of thing would have been better as an app rather then a proper website Hi Ben, Tracking repayment is only one part of our services. The whole idea is to manage the borrowing process from the beginning till the need. The following context is what we are trying to do/offer. I cut and paste it from my website to share with you. WHAT WE DO
A loan to a friend or family member often results in the loss of both money and relationship especially when it lacks structure and clarity. Our goal here at CircLender is to offer a better solution for friends and family members to help out each other financially. For BorrowerWe make it easy and less awkward for you to crowdsource loans from your social circle. It is as simple as creating a loan request and inviting potential lenders to respond to your request. Key advantages include: - Lower or zero interest
- Faster access to money
- Often no collateral required
For Lender
Before money changes hands, we help you formalise the loan arrangement with a written promissory note to ensure that you and your borrower won't get into any disputes later on. Key benefits include: - Protect yourself in writing
- Avoid misunderstandings
- Completely free to use
For BothTo make sure repayment stays on track, we provide tools for both parties to keep track of repayment due dates, manage friendly reminders, record collections and calculate early settlement amount. Key features include: - Fast & easy tracking
- We handle all calculations
- No more awkward reminder
Also, we will be putting up our App version very soon. Stay tune.
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Post by ablrateandy on Feb 8, 2016 9:16:42 GMT
Sorry. Am I being dumb but surely :
"Lower or zero interest" - is dependent on what the borrower sets as terms and what the lenders agree to? So it's not really part of your "offering"?
"Faster access to money " - again depends on something beyond your control?
"Often no collateral required" - again depends on what the borrower sets as terms. Will you enforce the collateral if there is a default. Say a borrower borrows $500 and puts "my car" as collateral. Do you check that they have good title to the car, register a charge and enforce? Do your docs cope with this?
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Post by CircLender on Feb 8, 2016 11:20:51 GMT
Sorry. Am I being dumb but surely : "Lower or zero interest" - is dependent on what the borrower sets as terms and what the lenders agree to? So it's not really part of your "offering"? "Faster access to money " - again depends on something beyond your control? "Often no collateral required" - again depends on what the borrower sets as terms. Will you enforce the collateral if there is a default. Say a borrower borrows $500 and puts "my car" as collateral. Do you check that they have good title to the car, register a charge and enforce? Do your docs cope with this? Hi andy, 1. Yes, the interest rate is set by the borrower. In normal practise they will set an interest rate that they think is affordable to them. Or they may set it to 0% hoping that his/her friends and family members can agree on that. 2. Compare to traditional bank loans, friends and family loans are much faster to obtain. 3. Most often, friends and family loans are unsecured loans, which mean the lender do not require the borrower to pledge assets or belongings as collateral. FF lenders fund loans out of the goodness of their hearts to help out a friend or family member. Unlike other stranger to strange lending platforms who deal with asset finance, banking or leasing business, collateral might not be that relevant in our scenario. I guess I should take away "often" and only emphasise on no collateral required to prevent confusion.
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Post by bigfoot12 on Feb 8, 2016 11:28:57 GMT
If any friend of mine gave my email address to a site such as this that might well be the end of the friendship. I am fed up with (now former) friends cutting and pasting their address books into sites such as Facebook.
(NB I haven't looked at this site - I have no idea if you are good or bad, merely I would not be happy if people passed my email on to anyone without my prior permission.)
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Post by CircLender on Feb 8, 2016 11:38:15 GMT
If any friend of mine gave my email address to a site such as this that might well be the end of the friendship. I am fed up with (now former) friends cutting and pasting their address books into sites such as Facebook. (NB I haven't looked at this site - I have no idea if you are good or bad, merely I would not be happy if people passed my email on to anyone without my prior permission.) haha ok... I guess you really hate the idea of crowdsourcing/crowdfunding. This is not a model invented yesterday. It is a model using by many crowdfunding sites nowadays. FYI, I will not have access to your email address unless you register with the system. Your friends will be using his own email services to send you the loan request, not through us.
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Post by dolphin on Feb 8, 2016 12:56:28 GMT
If any friend of mine gave my email address to a site such as this that might well be the end of the friendship. I am fed up with (now former) friends cutting and pasting their address books into sites such as Facebook. (NB I haven't looked at this site - I have no idea if you are good or bad, merely I would not be happy if people passed my email on to anyone without my prior permission.) haha ok... I guess you really hate the idea of crowdsourcing/crowdfunding. This is not a model invented yesterday. It is a model using by many crowdfunding sites nowadays. FYI, I will not have access to your email address unless you register with the system. Your friends will be using his own email services to send you the loan request, not through us. The clue is in the name of this forum. Everybody who posts to or reads any thread on this forum has a keen interest in all things crowdfunding. The total sum on knowledge on here is far greater than yours so I would suggest you react more positively to any criticism. BTW I got as far as a detailed study of your T&Cs and decided there were so many things in there I didn't like that I decided not to go any further. I wish you luck with this but personally I don't see it as a viable business.
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Post by CircLender on Feb 8, 2016 13:14:49 GMT
haha ok... I guess you really hate the idea of crowdsourcing/crowdfunding. This is not a model invented yesterday. It is a model using by many crowdfunding sites nowadays. FYI, I will not have access to your email address unless you register with the system. Your friends will be using his own email services to send you the loan request, not through us. The clue is in the name of this forum. Everybody who posts to or reads any thread on this forum has a keen interest in all things crowdfunding. The total sum on knowledge on here is far greater than yours so I would suggest you react more positively to any criticism. BTW I got as far as a detailed study of your T&Cs and decided there were so many things in there I didn't like that I decided not to go any further. I wish you luck with this but personally I don't see it as a viable business. dolphin, I don't treat users comment as criticism. In fact, feedback from the people here have given me lots of insight to fine tune my site further. If you follow the site from day one, you probably notice that majority of the changes on the site are from the criticism in this thread. You may not like my style, but this is a typical "you treat me like this, and I treat you the same" kind of interaction. I am not here for marketing purpose, so I don't have to please anybody. I can take suggestions no matter how sarcastic it would be, because I believe that this is the right way to make things happen. To me, I don't care if what I am doing now is viable or not. There are 2.8B internet users out there, and I have billions of opportunities to test out my idea.
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Post by Investor on Feb 8, 2016 15:11:53 GMT
Hi lynnanthony,
Thank you for your interest in CircLender services!
The services will be made available to 60 countries. The complete listing of these countries can be found at the registration page.
We are now in our beta testing stage and will proceed to business/company incorporation after this.
We are based in Singapore.
Circlender Could you confirm the above statement that you are based in Singapore. I seem to only be able to find the company registered in Kota Kinabalu in Malaysia which seems to be a good 500+ mile swim from Singapore. Even your servers seem to be hosted in Penang in Malaysia, still about 300 miles from Singapore. I am unable to find reference to the company being registered in Singapore so would appreciate if you could clarify this discrepancy. Many thanks
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