ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 7, 2016 18:04:01 GMT
OK, now I'm confused.........I just this minute thought that I'd made a pre-bid on one of the loans due to go live tomorrow, but can't see any record of the bid having been accepted.......I imagine it should show up in the lower section of the loan in question where it says "PRE-FUNDING"......."£0.00". Does it take a while for the page to update this info, or do I have to first fill in a figure where it says "PRE-FUND PIPELINE LOANS".......when I do that, it then asks me if I'm sure I want to set this limit for all pipeline loans, as if it will make an automatic bid for everything coming thru the pipeline. Help! Change the amount in the box alongside the individual loan and click save, and agree in pop up. It should show the new amount instantly with a green confirmation banner at top. Dont click the update prefunding box at the top as that does all loans
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Post by ablender on Feb 7, 2016 18:08:45 GMT
OK, now I'm confused.........I just this minute thought that I'd made a pre-bid on one of the loans due to go live tomorrow, but can't see any record of the bid having been accepted.......I imagine it should show up in the lower section of the loan in question where it says "PRE-FUNDING"......."£0.00". Does it take a while for the page to update this info, or do I have to first fill in a figure where it says "PRE-FUND PIPELINE LOANS".......when I do that, it then asks me if I'm sure I want to set this limit for all pipeline loans, as if it will make an automatic bid for everything coming thru the pipeline. Help! It should be automatic and close to instant. Make sure that you press "save" for each prefunding you do otherwise it is not sent to the server and will be lost. Edit: Crossed with everyone else.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 7, 2016 18:28:50 GMT
I don't seem to have had the email - is this PBL75 and PBL76 that are going live tomorrow? Yep. Seems some may have not received the e-mail (check your spam!). The e-mail that they sent is as follows Nothing here, nor in spam folder. I wonder if it's only gone to those who've not set a pre-fund for those loans?
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 7, 2016 18:32:25 GMT
Yep. Seems some may have not received the e-mail (check your spam!). The e-mail that they sent is as follows Nothing here, nor in spam folder. I wonder if it's only gone to those who've not set a pre-fund for those loans? Apparently not; some members have confirmed that they have no pre-funding, but got the e-mail. Make sure you send an e-mail to SS tomorrow, as this seems to be a problem quite a few members are suffering from.
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Post by jivan on Feb 7, 2016 19:44:31 GMT
OK, now I'm confused.........I just this minute thought that I'd made a pre-bid on one of the loans due to go live tomorrow, but can't see any record of the bid having been accepted.......I imagine it should show up in the lower section of the loan in question where it says "PRE-FUNDING"......."£0.00". Does it take a while for the page to update this info, or do I have to first fill in a figure where it says "PRE-FUND PIPELINE LOANS".......when I do that, it then asks me if I'm sure I want to set this limit for all pipeline loans, as if it will make an automatic bid for everything coming thru the pipeline. Help! Don't worry; it is a learning curve! 1. Go to SS & login 2. Go to "Pipeline Loans" tab 3. Find the loan(s) that you want to place a prefund bid 4. Under the "pre-funding column" select the arrow and select the amount you want to prefund 5. Press Save 6. Click "OK" on the pop-up 7. You’re all done! Important; Make sure the loans are in a list ( see below)!
OK, thanks for that, cooling dude. I've now succeeded in putting in a bid (or 2), altho not sure what I did differently this time to last time. I think it's not strictly necessary to view the loans in list form, but certainly requires fewer clicks to place a bid in the list format. I hadn't cottoned on to what those icons in the top right corner actually did, but now I know! :-)
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cooling_dude
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 7, 2016 19:52:11 GMT
OK, thanks for that, cooling dude. I've now succeeded in putting in a bid (or 2), altho not sure what I did differently this time to last time. I think it's not strictly necessary to view the loans in list form, but certainly requires fewer clicks to place a bid in the list format. I hadn't cottoned on to what those icons in the top right corner actually did, but now I know! :-) No problem jivan ; happy to help. Indeed not necessary to have in list to prefund; however when the loans are in a list it shows the “prefunding” column to make it easier to explain to others how to prefund . You seem to be getting the hang of things; now maybe you'll want to try your luck in the secondry market (good luck )
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Post by jivan on Feb 7, 2016 20:05:30 GMT
I can't see any info re the borrowers ability to meet the repayments, for example..... "" The borrowers don't make repayments as such. The interest for the expected term is taken from the loan advance at the outset, and then there are no repayments scheduled until they repay in full. Usually pay by refinance to another lender or by selling the property. "" OK, I understand......a bit! It looks to me tho that on the 'Particulars' section, a wide time frame is given, from a minimum of 1 month to a maximum of 6 or 12 months, so what is the definition of the 'expected term'. .......and while we're on the subject......if the monies for paying interest are incorporated in the original advance, what then are the risks of losing one's investment? As far as I can see, these would include; i) The original loan term is extended (possibly due to the borrower being unable to refinance the loan) and therefore the original amount allowed for interest payments is no longer sufficient and the borrower is unable to meet them. In this event, presumably, the security would be called in and the lenders would have to wait for the security to be sold before getting their capital returned......and interest in the interim? Penalty interest??? ii) Failure of the platform itself and no back-up plan to facilitate ongoing repayments (as I believe LendInvest have, although I may be wrong) iii) Fire/flood etc damage to the property concerned thereby reducing its market value (although presumably building insurance etc is a part of the package.....is this stated anywhere?) iv) In the case of development loans, all the uncertainties regarding planning consents, time and cost overruns etc v) Any others?
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Feb 7, 2016 20:07:54 GMT
@cooling_dude .. Now that's unkind, winding him up about the SM. 8>. Although, just maybe, there might be some more super-yacht for sale tomorrow .. if PBL 75/6 get off the launchpad that is. jivan .. getting SS to tell us how much interest they actually took/hold is one of the complaints you'll find discussed on several threads here. However you are right about the risks (that's how come you get 1% a month and not 1% a year). Two main risks .. liquidity (can you get out when you thought you could) and risk to capital (or capital + interest). Hopefully the assets are worth more than the loan, and are insured, and are actually owned by the borrower .. in which case you just have to worry about a possible property crash (-30% or more), the value if you have to shift them quickly (often less than book value), and whether you can keep eating while the liquidation takes place (do NOT put all your eggs in the P2P basket!!). If SS crashes, there is supposed to be a backup plan to take over debt collection (a FCA requirement) .. like most safety nets, you just have to hope it'll work, coz it's never been tested.
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Post by jivan on Feb 7, 2016 20:15:34 GMT
OK, thanks for that, cooling dude. I've now succeeded in putting in a bid (or 2), altho not sure what I did differently this time to last time. I think it's not strictly necessary to view the loans in list form, but certainly requires fewer clicks to place a bid in the list format. I hadn't cottoned on to what those icons in the top right corner actually did, but now I know! :-) No problem jivan ; happy to help. Indeed not necessary to have in list to prefund; however when the loans are in a list it shows the “prefunding” column to make it easier to explain to others how to prefund . You seem to be getting the hang of things; now maybe you'll want to try your luck in the secondry market (good luck ) Haha!! I've looked for the icon or link to the secondary market but so far it has eluded me. I am aware, however, that the SS SM is hyper-liquid and one needs either fast fingers or fast internet to succeed......and how is one supposed to assess the quality of the loan on offer if only milliseconds are available before m*****3 gets it?
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 7, 2016 20:19:12 GMT
I can't see any info re the borrowers ability to meet the repayments, for example..... "" The borrowers don't make repayments as such. The interest for the expected term is taken from the loan advance at the outset, and then there are no repayments scheduled until they repay in full. Usually pay by refinance to another lender or by selling the property. "" OK, I understand......a bit! It looks to me tho that on the 'Particulars' section, a wide time frame is given, from a minimum of 1 month to a maximum of 6 or 12 months, so what is the definition of the 'expected term'. .......and while we're on the subject......if the monies for paying interest are incorporated in the original advance, what then are the risks of losing one's investment? As far as I can see, these would include; i) The original loan term is extended (possibly due to the borrower being unable to refinance the loan) and therefore the original amount allowed for interest payments is no longer sufficient and the borrower is unable to meet them. In this event, presumably, the security would be called in and the lenders would have to wait for the security to be sold before getting their capital returned......and interest in the interim? Penalty interest??? ii) Failure of the platform itself and no back-up plan to facilitate ongoing repayments (as I believe LendInvest have, although I may be wrong) iii) Fire/flood etc damage to the property concerned thereby reducing its market value (although presumably building insurance etc is a part of the package.....is this stated anywhere?) iv) In the case of development loans, all the uncertainties regarding planning consents, time and cost overruns etc v) Any others? i) If a loan defaults, SS will let you know. Interest will keep occurring 12%, but you will not receive the interest until the assets are sold. Also it is understood that you will still be able to trade the loan on the SM. Any problems selling the assets, then SS will dip into their provident funds. If the provident funds does not cover the loan & interest, that’s when we would loose out. ii) With the new T&C the loans are between us & the borrower not Lendy Ltd. If the platform fails the borrower will still owe us the money, but of course the complexity of this would mean there's a risk we would not get back some or all of the money owed. On old T&C loans the loan is between us & Lendy Ltd, so if the platform fails we would most likely loose our money iii) It shouldn't matter unless; a. the loan is actually for the asset or b. the loan defaults. In either case, once again SS will dip into the provident fund, and if the provident fund does not cover the loan + interest we would loose out. iv) SS will always be in contact with the borrower, and quite often extend or relist a loan. They will only do so if the borrower pays the inteast for the extended term Remember that these are Bridging loans; they are a short-term funding options. They are primarily used to 'bridge' a gap between a debt coming due and the credit becoming available.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Feb 7, 2016 20:19:29 GMT
jivan .. just click on 'loans' and it'll take you to the available loans page (if you are logged in .. else you get the 'live loans' page instead). You need to do any DD ahead of time so if PBL029 pops up you know whether you want to buy it or not. By the time you work it out, it will (currently) have sold, so what most folks do is just buy it (if they can) and THEN sniff it, and relist it (perhaps after midnight. 8>.) if it fails the sniff test.
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Post by jivan on Feb 7, 2016 20:36:10 GMT
"" The borrowers don't make repayments as such. The interest for the expected term is taken from the loan advance at the outset, and then there are no repayments scheduled until they repay in full. Usually pay by refinance to another lender or by selling the property. "" OK, I understand......a bit! It looks to me tho that on the 'Particulars' section, a wide time frame is given, from a minimum of 1 month to a maximum of 6 or 12 months, so what is the definition of the 'expected term'. .......and while we're on the subject......if the monies for paying interest are incorporated in the original advance, what then are the risks of losing one's investment? As far as I can see, these would include; i) The original loan term is extended (possibly due to the borrower being unable to refinance the loan) and therefore the original amount allowed for interest payments is no longer sufficient and the borrower is unable to meet them. In this event, presumably, the security would be called in and the lenders would have to wait for the security to be sold before getting their capital returned......and interest in the interim? Penalty interest??? ii) Failure of the platform itself and no back-up plan to facilitate ongoing repayments (as I believe LendInvest have, although I may be wrong) iii) Fire/flood etc damage to the property concerned thereby reducing its market value (although presumably building insurance etc is a part of the package.....is this stated anywhere?) iv) In the case of development loans, all the uncertainties regarding planning consents, time and cost overruns etc v) Any others? i) If a loan defaults, SS will let you know. Interest will keep occurring 12%, but you will not receive the interest until the assets are sold. Also it is understood that you will still be able to trade the loan on the SM. Any problems selling the assets, then SS will dip into their provident funds. If the provident funds does not cover the loan & interest, that’s when we would loose out. ii) With the new T&C the loans are between us & the borrower not Lendy Ltd. If the platform fails the borrower will still owe us then money, but of course the complexity of this would mean there is a risk we would not get back some or all of the money owed. On old T&C loans the loan is between us & Lendy Ltd, so if the platform fails we would most likely loose our money iii) I shouldn't matter unless; a. the loan is actually for the asset or b. the loan defaults. In either case, once again SS will dip into the provident fund, and if the provident fund does not cover the loan + interest we would loose out. iv) SS will always be in contact with the borrower, and quite often extend or relist a loan. They will only do so if the borrower pays the inteast for the extended term Remember that these are Bridging loans; they are a short-term funding options. They are primarily used to 'bridge' a gap between a debt coming due and the credit becoming available. OK, I get that they are bridging loans, but I've just looked at one in the pipeline, for development of farmland, where the "Exit Strategy" is as follows; Gain planning; development finance; sale
Why would you invest in a loan with such a complex exit strategy when one can earn identical rates on a straightforward bridging loan for the purchase of a residential property, where the exit strategy is clear and straightforward?
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 7, 2016 20:46:46 GMT
i) If a loan defaults, SS will let you know. Interest will keep occurring 12%, but you will not receive the interest until the assets are sold. Also it is understood that you will still be able to trade the loan on the SM. Any problems selling the assets, then SS will dip into their provident funds. If the provident funds does not cover the loan & interest, that’s when we would loose out. ii) With the new T&C the loans are between us & the borrower not Lendy Ltd. If the platform fails the borrower will still owe us then money, but of course the complexity of this would mean there is a risk we would not get back some or all of the money owed. On old T&C loans the loan is between us & Lendy Ltd, so if the platform fails we would most likely loose our money iii) I shouldn't matter unless; a. the loan is actually for the asset or b. the loan defaults. In either case, once again SS will dip into the provident fund, and if the provident fund does not cover the loan + interest we would loose out. iv) SS will always be in contact with the borrower, and quite often extend or relist a loan. They will only do so if the borrower pays the inteast for the extended term Remember that these are Bridging loans; they are a short-term funding options. They are primarily used to 'bridge' a gap between a debt coming due and the credit becoming available. OK, I get that they are bridging loans, but I've just looked at one in the pipeline, for development of farmland, where the "Exit Strategy" is as follows; Gain planning; development finance; sale
Why would you invest in a loan with such a complex exit strategy when one can earn identical rates on a straightforward bridging loan for the purchase of a residential property, where the exit strategy is clear and straightforward? You don't! Do your own due diligence and pick and choose the loans you want and avoid the ones you don’t. Get a strategy dude !However, first off be careful with the overviews of loans in the pipeline list. The overviews were only added on Friday after SS took on some feedback from us, and as such are full of errors. Not only that, these ‘proposed’ loans are still going through legal, valuations etc, so wait closer to their ‘going live’ date before you dig into the details. The valuations are always a nice read when they become available! Personally I’m happy as long as the loan has at least 100 days left (after all, the interest has already been paid by the borrower). After that I get rid of it. I also try and spread the risk, so for example if I get £600 on Monday via the prefunding, I will sell £600 worth of investment on loans that I’ve invested the most in.
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 7, 2016 21:53:18 GMT
i) If a loan defaults, SS will let you know. Interest will keep occurring 12%, but you will not receive the interest until the assets are sold. Also it is understood that you will still be able to trade the loan on the SM. Any problems selling the assets, then SS will dip into their provident funds. If the provident funds does not cover the loan & interest, that’s when we would loose out. ii) With the new T&C the loans are between us & the borrower not Lendy Ltd. If the platform fails the borrower will still owe us then money, but of course the complexity of this would mean there is a risk we would not get back some or all of the money owed. On old T&C loans the loan is between us & Lendy Ltd, so if the platform fails we would most likely loose our money i) Slight correction to this. Loans held under the old T&Cs, anything before PBL64, except 59, 37,38, 39, (to the best of our knowledge) will continue to pay interest even in the event of default because those are loans to Lendy. New T&C loans would roll up interest until recovery. Provison fund covers both. ii) While old T&C loans are to Lendy, if the platform failed there are mechanisms (insurance to cover the cost) to wind the loan book down so loses would depend on ability to realise security. How much money would be realised may also be dependent on what other creditors Lendy had as they may also have claim to Lendys assets (ie loans not not held by the Trust) Variations between T&Cs herejivan . This may be of interest p2pindependentforum.com/post/47560/thread
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Post by ablender on Feb 7, 2016 21:55:50 GMT
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