spiral
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Post by spiral on Feb 8, 2016 10:17:59 GMT
ii) With the new T&C the loans are between us & the borrower not Lendy Ltd. If the platform fails the borrower will still owe us then money, but of course the complexity of this would mean there is a risk we would not get back some or all of the money owed. On old T&C loans the loan is between us & Lendy Ltd, so if the platform fails we would most likely loose our money At what point did this change occur? How do we identify new/old loans?
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 8, 2016 10:25:44 GMT
ii) With the new T&C the loans are between us & the borrower not Lendy Ltd. If the platform fails the borrower will still owe us then money, but of course the complexity of this would mean there is a risk we would not get back some or all of the money owed. On old T&C loans the loan is between us & Lendy Ltd, so if the platform fails we would most likely loose our money At what point did this change occur? How do we identify new/old loans? When the new site launched. All loans from PBL64 onwards plus any SS tell us have moved. Otherwise you cant. See my list of loan updates for the ones we are aware of
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 8, 2016 10:43:49 GMT
Why are these two loans going live (for want of a better term) when the web page says they are at stage 2, and not stage 3? (Thanks by the way to Cooling and others for answers to Jivan's questions on this topic.) Because SS I guess is to lazy to upgrade them to level 3 or whatever appropriate. This is a tad harsh. I think they have simply overlooked updating the stage.
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 8, 2016 10:54:15 GMT
Because SS I guess is to lazy to upgrade them to level 3 or whatever appropriate. This is a tad harsh. I think they have simply overlooked updating the stage. Or its the final stage and the loan can launch immediately after so it doesnt get seen unless there is a further issue
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Post by markdirac on Feb 8, 2016 11:44:50 GMT
I have just been allocated £180 of Great Bookham.
I am curious to "explore" the secondary market (this is my first loan part). If I click "sell loan part" will I immediately and irrevocably sell my loan part? Or will that fateful event happen at a later click, thus affording me the chance to explore how the secondary market operates?
Thanks.
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Post by jonno on Feb 8, 2016 11:46:56 GMT
I have just been allocated £180 of Great Bookham. I am curious to "explore" the secondary market (this is my first loan part). If I click "sell loan part" will I immediately and irrevocably sell my loan part? Or will that fateful event happen at a later click, thus affording me the chance to explore how the secondary market operates? Thanks. Irrevocably gone in a millesecond!!
You can however sell whatever portion of your £180 you want; you don't need to sell it all.
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cooling_dude
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 8, 2016 11:47:26 GMT
I have just been allocated £180 of Great Bookham. I am curious to "explore" the secondary market (this is my first loan part). If I click "sell loan part" will I immediately and irrevocably sell my loan part? Or will that fateful event happen at a later click, thus affording me the chance to explore how the secondary market operates? Thanks. Once you click on the "sell loan part" button you will get a pop-up, which will ask you to confirm that you want to sell that loan part After you have sold your loan part, it will appear on the available loan page, and (as things stand) it will be snapped up in a matter of seconds.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Feb 8, 2016 11:50:15 GMT
Also asking you how much you want to sell .. unlike other sites you can sell anything from £0.01 through the whole lot ... after that you get asked to verify.
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Post by markdirac on Feb 8, 2016 11:51:59 GMT
Phew. Thanks Dude and GSV - the world continues to exist...
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 8, 2016 13:25:02 GMT
I'm surprised to see that there have been a number of £180 sales of PBL074 PBL075. Presumably that means some people were allocated a share of that loan and decided that they didn't want it after all. Why not? They've only now looked at the details, and didn't like what they saw? They can't be bothered with what may be for them a relatively small holding? Or...?
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 8, 2016 13:31:07 GMT
I've just received £270 of PBL076.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Feb 8, 2016 15:28:51 GMT
I'm surprised to see that there have been a number of £180 sales of PBL074. Presumably that means some people were allocated a share of that loan and decided that they didn't want it after all. Why not? They've only now looked at the details, and didn't like what they saw? They can't be bothered with what may be for them a relatively small holding? Or...? I assume you really mean PBL075. Yes, for some folks (many?) £180 is 'shrapnel', and (even worse) no matter how many bits you buy they all show up as individual bits of shrapnel still, there is no mechanism to glue them together (except by putting them on the SM and buying them back .. which right now would be impossible). Personally I still prefer the AC approach - you tell their buy-bot how much you want (the bad news is you have to fund with real money) and then it buys shrapnel whenever there is something for sale, and shows you the running total, rather than the hundreds of fragments. You can swan off to %wherever% and let it get on with it.
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Post by ablender on Feb 8, 2016 16:56:15 GMT
Why are these two loans going live (for want of a better term) when the web page says they are at stage 2, and not stage 3? (Thanks by the way to Cooling and others for answers to Jivan's questions on this topic.) The pipeline sometimes gets as fast as the SM. There was a stage 3 but was too quick to see it.
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 9, 2016 0:03:07 GMT
I'm surprised to see that there have been a number of £180 sales of PBL074 PBL075. Presumably that means some people were allocated a share of that loan and decided that they didn't want it after all. Why not? They've only now looked at the details, and didn't like what they saw? They can't be bothered with what may be for them a relatively small holding? Or...? I assume you really mean PBL075. Yes, for some folks (many?) £180 is 'shrapnel', and (even worse) no matter how many bits you buy they all show up as individual bits of shrapnel still, there is no mechanism to glue them together (except by putting them on the SM and buying them back .. which right now would be impossible). Personally I still prefer the AC approach - you tell their buy-bot how much you want (the bad news is you have to fund with real money) and then it buys shrapnel whenever there is something for sale, and shows you the running total, rather than the hundreds of fragments. You can swan off to %wherever% and let it get on with it. Yes, I did mean PBL075. Thanks to GSV3MIaC for pointing that out. I've amended my original post as noted above. If one of SS's bigger investors considers £180 to be shrapnel, and doesn't want to hold parts that small, that's for them to decide and I have no problem with that. But I'd think it would be better for them -- and a tiny bit better for us -- if they didn't put in pre-funding requests for loans of less than £500k, since it's so unlikely that those would produce larger allocations for the foreseeable future. If they only want allocations of more than £500, then they might as well not bother with any of the sub-£1M pipeline loans. I have to agree that the AC approach to consolidating parts is much better. It's really nice not to have to think about the shrapnel. OK, some purchases might be tiny parts, but once they're bought you have a single holding to deal with. And I do appreciate the ability at AC to put in a buying request and know that if parts are put up for sale I'll get my fair share of them without having to play 'spot the street sign' and 'fastest finger' games. I lose those 99+% of the time, and that is most frustrating. In my experience, the AC system may be slow to purchase significant amounts but it does continue to buy in the background until I've acquired what I want to hold. I can be confident that any slowness in acquisitions is caused by lenders not selling parts rather than because I've been beaten to them by bots or people with better ISPs than I have or those who have more time than I to spend waiting to pounce when a part is offered for sale. When the weather improves and I start spending more of my time outdoors enjoying it, picking up SM parts will be out of the question for me. If SS can increase their deal flow to the point where pre-funding can fill my re-investment needs, then losing out on the SM won't be such an issue. Until then, however, it is.
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 9, 2016 0:52:34 GMT
I must admit that I am too upset by seeing the today’s loans appearing on the SM; TBH I see it as a tad inconsiderate from those investors. I don’t have investments in AC so can’t comment too far on their system, but the problem I see is that I like to get the prefunded loan and then diversify by selling older risker loans. I don’t want money waiting about in SS unnecessarily.
In any case I would like to see some tweaking. Maybe the pipeline loans can have a 24hr ‘overhang’, where any new loans that are sold back onto the SM are held and then divided again to the investors that didn’t sell their new investments on the SM.
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