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Post by sunspot on Feb 23, 2016 20:32:46 GMT
Exactly right. Also, invested pennies don't even show up on the live loans page unless your investment is tiny.
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Post by am on Feb 23, 2016 20:49:05 GMT
Merging loan parts that would be a good idea, also if you could sell all loan parts in a particular loan in one go rather than clicking on each individual loan part. At the moment you can buy (on rare occasions) the equivalent of the sum of your holdings, and then sell off the original bits and pieces.
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 24, 2016 0:39:12 GMT
I remember when there was a minimum part size. You couldnt sell less than £50, it was such an issue that there was a pinned thread explaining how to get round the restriction, so leave it as it is.
Those 1p parts, hmmm, could that just be clever SM tactics to increase holdings in existing held loans? Stick up a penny, click to buy it back, do recaptchas etc but dont buy, then youre in the box seat to buy any subsequent listings
Amalgamating loan parts is a good idea
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 24, 2016 0:46:19 GMT
I remember when there was a minimum part size. You couldnt sell less than £50, it was such an issue that there was a pinned thread explaining how to get round the restriction, so leave it as it is. Those 1p parts, hmmm, could that just be clever SM tactics to increase holdings in existing held loans? Stick up a penny, click to buy it back, do recaptchas etc but dont buy, then youre in the box seat to buy any subsequent listings Amalgamating loan parts is a good idea I like your thinking (I may have tinkered with the idea myself ). However, the ReCaptcha resets after a couple of minutes and gives you a timeout; after which you have to start the process all over again. Personally; I buy £1 parts to provide a "bookmark" to tell me not to invest in a loan that I have done DD in, and didn't like. When I am used to any obvious loan I dislike (for example the Hull loan) I sell the 1p to tidy up my books.
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Post by Liz on Feb 24, 2016 9:08:40 GMT
I can't vote, I'm happy with the status quo, that works perfectly fine.
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Post by sl75 on Feb 24, 2016 9:12:28 GMT
Merging loan parts that would be a good idea, also if you could sell all loan parts in a particular loan in one go rather than clicking on each individual loan part. At the moment you can buy (on rare occasions) the equivalent of the sum of your holdings, and then sell off the original bits and pieces. Further, if you sell off the bits and pieces all at once, then for the buyer they'll be consolidated into a single part. If there's no demand for tiny loan parts, they'll just sit there until the next time someone is selling the same loan, at which point they gets consolidated into a single loan part with the additional units being sold. When selling, I personally try to encourage this behaviour, for example: - opening several tabs with all my loan parts, getting each to the final confirmation, and running through doing "ok" -> switch tab -> "ok" -> switch tab -> "ok" etc. as fast as possible. - (for loans sold reasonably often) waiting until I see someone else selling parts of the same loan, and adding mine to them, allowing a buyer to take both together as a single loan part. When buying, I'll sometimes leave my target buying amount larger than my intended holding so that I can then tidy up some existing shrapnel - but even if I might have done so in the past I'll not now buy for the sole purpose of consolidating shrapnel - that just generates even more statement spam!
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Post by Investboy on Feb 24, 2016 10:33:31 GMT
I find the irregular size of loans parts to be rather annoying, but the tiny shrapnel that floats around is just silly, and needs to be dealt with. In the short term, that's not easy, but it would be straightforward to change the way loans are traded so that the problem eventually goes away. ... What do people think? Oh dear me... sunspot . First you complained there is nothing on SM and you can't buy anything, bots, reCaptcha ect. Now when SM is full you complain that you don't like the amounts there. Although it would be cleaner to only have rounded pounds traded it would be a "cherry on top" functionality. TBH current situation does not bother me at all. What I do is I try to buy/sell without pennies. But because of that I have 66p not earning interests on my account and this is a bit annoying Embrace the reality and enjoy it! Kudos to savingstream for their work, better loan flow ect. Good days are back again!
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Post by sl75 on Feb 24, 2016 11:29:08 GMT
I find the irregular size of loans parts to be rather annoying, but the tiny shrapnel that floats around is just silly, and needs to be dealt with. In the short term, that's not easy... I fundamentally disagree with your statement that it's not easy to deal with. It's very easily dealt with in the short term, and can in fact be dealt with by you right now - leave the tiny shrapnel on the marketplace, and before too much longer (probably within a few hours at most) someone else will be selling more of the same loan, allowing a buyer to consolidate what had previously been multiple small loan parts into one larger part. It is possible to sort the list of available loans by the available amount, so one way to avoid even seeing the shrapnel (provided there are sufficiently many loans with parts available to buy) is to use this sort facility and then don't scroll past loans which are below your preferred minimum threshold. If at some future time, SS add filtering options to the available loans page, one such option could be to hide any loans where there is not at least £xxx available. I'd not see it as worth adding on its own though...
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Post by sunspot on Feb 24, 2016 12:49:20 GMT
Investboy, if you're you're going to engage me in argument, please check your facts first, because I did not COMPLAIN about any of those things. I did rightly point out a few facts, and as a consequence, I can probably claim the dubious honour of being the first person in the history of the internet to be banned from a forum without having a single post either edited or deleted! Quite remarkable, don't you think?
You might also consider that a significant number of people also voted AGAINST the current system, so I'm certainly NOT in a minority of one. And a number of people agree that aggregating loan parts would be sensible.
You might also bear in mind that the purpose of forums such as this is to be constructive - which your contribution is not. However, not being a crybaby, I'll leave it there, and I suggest you do the same.
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Post by spareafewcoppersguv on Feb 24, 2016 13:01:11 GMT
On this topic I would vote to leave things as they are!
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Post by beechside on Feb 24, 2016 13:01:38 GMT
You might also consider that a significant number of people also voted AGAINST the current system, so I'm certainly NOT in a minority of one. And a number of people agree that aggregating loan parts would be sensible. sunspot: I'm not going to get into "He Said, She Said" but your poll was fundamentally faulty. You simply cannot infer the above statement, since you don't know whether people are taking the smallest option offered, rather than the smallest they want. One person's tidiness is not the same as another's. Do you want the odd pence in your current balance or on a loan? That's a matter of choice. I certainly would not support a request to SS that they change their system for your version of tidiness. They must have more important things than that. Viz Top Tip: when giving options in a poll, include the status quo so that people can make a sensible choice.
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Post by sunspot on Feb 24, 2016 13:24:19 GMT
Those people who voted for £10 or above, are clearly unhappy with the current system. So while I should perhaps have included a "status quo" option, my dissatisfaction is clearly shared by others, it simply isn't the majority view (amongst forum voters).
I must admit I found some of the reasons informative though, at least three being related to deficiencies elsewhere. Of these, two were related to speeding up the buying process, while another was to use shrapnel as a "DO NOT BUY" marker - which would be better served by the ability to attach notes!
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Post by highlandtiger on Feb 25, 2016 8:00:39 GMT
Those people who voted for £10 or above, are clearly unhappy with the current system. So while I should perhaps have included a "status quo" option, my dissatisfaction is clearly shared by others, it simply isn't the majority view (amongst forum voters). Yes you should have added the status quo option, because as you can read from several posts that some people did not vote at all because that option wasn't available. I myself only voted for £1 because that was the lowest amount. Something that I expect many others did as well. As for your minority that wishes change, I also expect that these are the same little clique of investors who have in recent months complained about practically every aspect of SS's business model. Personally this constant whinging is getting on my proverbials, (and yes I could of course ignore it all if I wished etc etc). The fact is SS is working fine for a vast MAJORITY of its investors, for it to change because a tiny minority are slightly inconvenienced, (and yes it is a very small and insignificant inconvenience in the great scheme of life), is to my mind, ridiculous.
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Post by sunspot on Feb 25, 2016 11:09:21 GMT
NO. That is your BELIEF, and you may be correct, but it is NOT A KNOWN FACT.
Indeed, there's currently a thread about how the number of investors is calculated. I've also seen speculation that only about 1/3 of members who've signed up are active. This may mean they're happy to let their existing investments sit, or it might mean they've walked away entirely, dissatisfied with the system in some way. You don't know the answer to that any more than I do.
As for the idea that everything is perfect, even Lendy don't agree with you on that, after all, they've made two MAJOR changes in the last two months - one to the prefunding system, the other being the captcha system. And even excluding my own comments, it's quite clear that not everyone is happy about these.
Returning to the original subject of this thread. I find it amazing that people would vote to keep penny shares simply because they use them as markers for loans they don't want. A FAR BETTER system would be to allow users to attach their own notes to loans (255 characters should be plenty). This would not complicate matters greatly, but I guess you hate this idea, because it would mean a slight change to the layout - a horrid HTML <textarea> just below the PBL description.
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Post by jonno on Feb 25, 2016 11:37:00 GMT
These days I contribute little to this forum and often don't even bother reading it anymore. The inanity of this thread tells me why far better than any words in the English language could ever do.
Just leave the bloody thing ALONE
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