poppyland
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Post by poppyland on Apr 2, 2016 14:15:40 GMT
We recently moved house, and in doing so took out a mortgage that was a lot higher than we needed. We are now investing the spare money for our later years. At the moment 80k is with House Crowd in a capital gains project that will supposedly pay out 10% over nine months, 39K is with Saving Stream, and 1k is with Funding Secure. We've chosen high interest platforms that seem to have good security, but I must say of all of them, Saving Stream is definitely our favourite. I know the general advice is to diversify across platforms, but what if there is one platform that seems way better than the others. Would it be totally stupid to put the whole lot with Saving Stream? Or should we spread it evenly between the three platforms we have chosen - or what? Decision time will come when the House Crowd stuff pays back and we have to reinvest 88k at high speed. Any thoughts/advice much appreciated! Also, any other platforms that people can recommend as being as safe and high interest as Saving Stream.
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Post by pom on Apr 2, 2016 14:20:19 GMT
There's a lot of really good threads about this in the General forum from how much we feel safe investing in p2p at all, and how many platforms and how much in each......you'll find we all have different views. (will try dig out some links direct to some of hte juiciest and add it to this - EDIT except I've been dragged into something so it'll have to be later now)
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Post by wiseclerk on Apr 2, 2016 14:20:34 GMT
Hi,
I'd say it depends on you personal tolerance level for risk and how much of your total assets these amounts are. If it is a tiny fraction than having it all on only these platforms might be okay. However if this is a large part of your assets than it seems a risky endeavor to me and you should consider further diversification.
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Post by poppyland on Apr 2, 2016 14:33:08 GMT
Thanks for both replies. Will check the general forum now.
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Post by Liz on Apr 2, 2016 14:37:10 GMT
Borrowing to invest, is risky enough, then chucking the lot in one high risk platform is brave. Saying that I have most of my savings in just 2 platforms, so I'm a gambler too I too am a massive fan of SS, and am satisfied that even in a platform closure, SS have adequate plans in place. I don't want to diversify into sites I don't like, just for the sake of diversity. I won't give advice, I'm not insured to, but it's your money and after weighing up all of the risks, it's up to you what you do with your money.
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Post by caveman38 on Apr 2, 2016 14:45:07 GMT
Borrowing to invest, is risky enough, then chucking the lot in one high risk platform is brave. Saying that I have most of my savings in just 2 platforms, so I'm a gambler too I too am a massive fan of SS, and am satisfied that even in a platform closure, SS have adequate plans in place. I don't want to diversify into sites I don't like, just for the sake of diversity. I won't give advice, I'm not insured to, but it's your money and after weighing up all of the risks, it's up to you what you do with your money. Can you give me examples of what you mean by that please, Liz.
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Post by poppyland on Apr 2, 2016 14:50:34 GMT
Yes, that's how I feel. Diversifying just for the sake of it seems more dangerous than carefully picking a few platforms that look solid and going with them. Which other platform do you use, if you don't mind me asking. About borrowing to invest.....well, it is kind of crazy, but we are covering all the repayments from earnings. I think this makes it better than borrowing money and funding the repayments out of the interest you are getting. Plus we have a fixed interest rate on the borrowing for five years - plenty of time to liquidate the loans and pay back the capital if it seems the best idea.
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Post by poppyland on Apr 2, 2016 14:54:50 GMT
Borrowing to invest, is risky enough, then chucking the lot in one high risk platform is brave. Saying that I have most of my savings in just 2 platforms, so I'm a gambler too I too am a massive fan of SS, and am satisfied that even in a platform closure, SS have adequate plans in place. I don't want to diversify into sites I don't like, just for the sake of diversity. I won't give advice, I'm not insured to, but it's your money and after weighing up all of the risks, it's up to you what you do with your money. Didn't realise I should use the quote button......which other platform do you use Liz. Thanks
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Post by SteveT on Apr 2, 2016 14:55:45 GMT
I'm in a similar position as my P2P "stake money" is also mostly funded by a no-longer-really-needed mortgage, albeit one taken out 8 years ago (to bridge a house move, tracking at BBR+0.37%) that proved way too good to repay early. For what it's worth, I currently have about 30% of my portfolio in SS, roughly 15% each in MT / AC / FS, 10% in FC, 5% in AR and 10% in "sundry other". Whilst I've every faith in the SS business model, I'm more comfortable spreading it around several platforms than keeping all my eggs in one basket.
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Post by poppyland on Apr 2, 2016 15:03:11 GMT
I'm in a similar position as my P2P "stake money" is also mostly funded by a no-longer-really-needed mortgage, albeit one taken out 8 years ago (to bridge a house move, tracking at BBR+0.37%) that proved way to good to repay early. For what it's worth, I currently have about 30% of my portfolio in SS, roughly 15% each in MT / AC / FS, 10% in FC, 5% in AR and 10% in "sundry other". Whilst I've every faith in the SS business model, I'm more comfortable spreading it around several platforms than keeping all my eggs in one basket. Thanks! Really helpful to know what other people are doing, and nice to encounter someone in a similar situation. I will check out the other platforms you mention.
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Post by agent69 on Apr 2, 2016 16:08:38 GMT
but what if there is one platform that seems way better than the others. You know what they say. If an offer looks too good to be true ....... Leveraged borrowing (borrowing at a low rat to invest at a higher rate) is never a good idea. If you have high tolerance to loss then you can invest in high rate (risk) platforms. Otherwise stick with something like Ratesetter.
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Post by Jeepers on Apr 2, 2016 18:19:28 GMT
Leveraged borrowing is basically what banks do and make billions every year... By doing this yourself you're just cutting out the middle man but have to accept the risks.
There are a few small loans on SS with a low LTV which rarely go up for sale because they are considered to be such low risk.
Everybody will have their own strategy. Personally, if I think a loan is solid (small with low LTV) I pile in on the quality ones rather than diversifying in to riskier loans just for the sake of doing so.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Apr 2, 2016 18:38:15 GMT
Leveraged borrowing is basically what banks do and make billions every year Errm, except in 2008 of course when it came back to bite them in the @$$ .. luckily they had we taxpayers to bail them out. If you play that game as an individual you are optimistic, or naive, or shortly-to-be-broke. Back to the opening question .. I'd say 'no more than you are willing to lose', which does rather depend on your other resources, your attitude to risk, etc. Personally I can't be doing with managing more than 3 or 4 P2P platforms at any one time, but I am willing to move (and have). I have a reasonable slice of capital in P2P, but something similar in stocks and shares and ditto in safer / cash investments. Eggs/baskets .. was ever thus, and probably always will be. As I said in some other thread, nothing has been a good investment forever (what was I reading? .. GE are the only DJI company still there since the index was first listed, and even they have 'survived' more than 'thrived' many years). IBM? Microsoft? one day doubtless Amazon, Google, and Fleeing Capital too.... they come, they peak, and then there's only one direction left.
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Post by poppyland on Apr 2, 2016 19:16:27 GMT
Thanks everyone for all the advice. Well, I think I have a pretty big appetite for risk - the cost (higher mortgage) is not that big a deal, and the benefit (money for when we're older so that we can quit working if we want to) is massive, and worth taking a few risks to hopefully achieve. But then in fact I don't see SS as being particularly high risk compared to some of the other platforms with lower rater and less protection e.g. some of the ones that loan to businesses.
It does, however, seem wise to keep an eye on how the platforms and markets are changing, and be ready to pull out if the situation changes. I guess it would become easy as time goes by to get a bit complacent and lazy about watching things. Also, as someone said, it's worth realising that even on SS some loans are less risky than others. I was interested to read an interview with one of the directors the other day, when he said that bigger loans are less risky. I would have thought it was the other way round...but anyway. Thanks again
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Post by SteveT on Apr 2, 2016 19:21:41 GMT
If you're lending with borrowed money (that you are legally obliged to repay) then you need to be comfortable that you could survive the "worst case scenario" of 100% of your capital disappearing up in smoke. If that scenario would leave you destitute / bankrupt then I'd advise investing most / all of it in something else that cannot potentially become worthless. It is unlikely that a well diversified portfolio of P2P loans would ever become entirely worthless .... but not impossible.
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