ramblin rose
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Post by ramblin rose on May 1, 2014 18:17:27 GMT
Wow - this moves quickly! And I have sold parts of two loans which seemed to work fine using the £amount rather than percentage. Instant diversification is very comforting from my perspective. Although given that we are lending to Lendy Ltd rather than the final owner, is that all an illusion? Editing again - the ability to spread maturity profile is still helpful so that you are not left trying to re-invest all the cash in a short period. Yes - they just replied to me to say the 'partial' was fixed - I just put up another tiny bit to test it, and all fine now. Many thanks to SS for the quick service there.
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Post by Investor on May 1, 2014 18:22:28 GMT
Dear SS
With the new SM market obviously now very much in play, either the ability to sort the Live Loans page by percentage available, or even to have a filter button that removes all 0% (fully funded) loans would be very useful, especially as the number of loans on the page grows. Another one to add to your no doubt growing list of snags, requests and updates.
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j
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Post by j on May 1, 2014 21:43:12 GMT
Picked up small parts in 4 different boat loans I've not had to diversify into. One point for savingstream, any plans to a)group parts of one loan together with a total amount to avoid scrolling down lengthy pages & b)when going into a particular loan/sm unit page can it indicate if the member already has units & how much to help confirm if more investment is desired? Again to save going backwards/forwards trolling through loan pages to see how much a member holds. SS facilities are starting to grow & well done for that but there are a lot of fine tuning points needed to aid investors in accessing info much quicker than currently & make the investing experience quicker & smoother (not criticism by any means, just feedback to improve site)
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Post by j on May 1, 2014 23:45:58 GMT
Any possibility that savingstream can reduce the minimum investment amount to say £50 (lower would be better but can live with £50 for now). With the SM now in action, there are & will be a lot of units to pick up & a £50 figure would allow members a wider opportunity to diversify into more loans which in turn means better liquidity for all.
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Post by smee on May 2, 2014 4:25:33 GMT
I agree with J. I have just accidentally invested twice in the same loan, so would really like to be able to see how much I already have invested. The SM seems to be working well with no worries about loss of interest because of slow sales. It remains to be seen whether larger property loans shift quite as easily. Overall though, great move SS.
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ramblin rose
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Post by ramblin rose on May 2, 2014 10:45:10 GMT
At least we will now how much of a delay this puts on the payment to seller time. I made three withdrawal requests for the proceeds of some of the monies released by SM sales during the course of yesterday evening (some of it I've re-distributed into other loans for diversification of repayment profile purposes). All three have shown up in my bank account in the past half hour, so not much of a delay really, if at all. It has previously shown up pretty much immediately, but I've always done it during the working day before, so that could be the only difference in this case. Maybe it just took enough money to have arrived with SS overall to be able to process the withdrawal request, rather than money from my specific purchasors, in which case that seems very fair treatment to me. So far so good with the secondary market experiment for me. I've shifted approx £14K so far, with the proportion of it that I wanted to liquidate already back in my bank account. Just need to wait and see whether I get the interest payments I expect at the end of the loans and I'll be happy. The only ones I see causing any confusion are the property bridges, as the interest showing accrued on those parts includes the interest I already was paid 2 days ago. Wouldn't be too difficult to work out on the whole loan part, but now I've sold some partials, it gets a bit messy there.
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Post by star dust on May 2, 2014 10:55:09 GMT
Aftermarket seems to be working well. Bought a couple of units in other loans, and has helped initial diversification – however, kind of wished I’d waited a few days as have ‘big toe’ chunk of Property loan 3 now and I can see I won’t be able to sell that for a while . I got lucky last night and bought a £50 part of a loan, but notice the minimum bid has now changed to £100.
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Post by star dust on May 2, 2014 10:59:11 GMT
Any possibility that savingstream can reduce the minimum investment amount to say £50 (lower would be better but can live with £50 for now). With the SM now in action, there are & will be a lot of units to pick up & a £50 figure would allow members a wider opportunity to diversify into more loans which in turn means better liquidity for all. Agree with this, for people toe dipping or with small overall investments this would be useful, but I can understand it might make for more work for SS. I think it was £50 for a short while last night as I bought half of a £100 offering, but this morning was restricted to £100 chunks.
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Post by Investor on May 2, 2014 11:45:22 GMT
Thanks for the info RR.
In my little experiment £500 was paid in by FPS/BACS and £500 by GoCardless, both paid in at exactly 19:27 yesterday, the GoCardless was available immediately and was invested, the Bank payment became available for investment at 10:03 today, by which time most of the loans had gone. Appreciate it was 'out of hours' but believe many investors may be more active evenings and weekends. Interestingly when I did invest, there was a minor glitch on the system but as seems true to form with SS, I very quickly received communication from them resolving the issue.
Possibly as SS continues to grow, given their desire to reduce cash processing costs (GoCardless) and yet the inherent, and quite significant advantage to lenders of this method over BACS, the debit card payment method may become more pressing a requirement to aid this growth and allow investors to login, review loans, pay in, lend out and log out in a single session.
SS, if you are reading this thanks for the prompt response (seemed to be only fractions of a millisecond!)
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Post by j on May 5, 2014 20:30:58 GMT
Units on SM seem to have dried up a little bit now but that's understandable considering the initial flurry of activity when everyone got rid of the units they did not want which in turn where soaked up by those who wanted to diversify. More loans will hopefully mean more activity & diversification with time
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Post by smee on May 6, 2014 15:15:01 GMT
There has been a lot of discussion about the loss of interest while a loan part sells completely, but have I missed something along the way about capital repayment? I expected capital to be returned as each part of my loan part sold, but capital is not credited to the seller until the entire loan is sold. I understand the problem with the interest payments but I can't see what is preventing capital being repaid in stages.
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Post by ramblin rose on May 6, 2014 15:40:38 GMT
There has been a lot of discussion about the loss of interest while a loan part sells completely, but have I missed something along the way about capital repayment? I expected capital to be returned as each part of my loan part sold, but capital is not credited to the seller until the entire loan is sold. I understand the problem with the interest payments but I can't see what is preventing capital being repaid in stages. Not following you here? You sell, say, a £500 loan part and you get it when it's sold. Were you expecting that if someone purchased £50 of it you would receive that straight away? I think they made it pretty clear that you waited till the whole part you've put up for sale was sold. You can put it up in £50 chunks if you want to get at smaller portions quickly. In practice, every loan part I've put up, regardless of size, has been fully sold within a day, and usually very quickly (with the exception of the last part I sold in property bridge 2 which took about 24 hours or so, but it was over the bank holiday, so not too surprised).
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Post by marek63 on May 8, 2014 18:25:56 GMT
I received payment for my loan parts as they were sold. Works fine! Just waiting for SS to answer a couple of questions on run down procedures and compliance to see if I can push my investing threshold up into £20k ++
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Post by mikes1531 on May 27, 2014 22:56:12 GMT
At least we will now how much of a delay this puts on the payment to seller time. Maybe it just took enough money to have arrived with SS overall to be able to process the withdrawal request, rather than money from my specific purchasors, in which case that seems very fair treatment to me. For a purchaser in the SM to buy a part, they need to have 'free' cash in their account. So as soon as the purchase goes through, their cash becomes locked up in the loan part and the ownership of the free cash should transfer from them to be seller. As such, there should be no need for SS to wait for any money to 'arrive', except insofar as there are GoCardless delays, for which SS have to maintain working capital. If there are such delays and insufficient working capital, then the system would start picking up the characteristics of a Ponzi scheme, and SS have to avoid that at all costs. It's not enough to be squeaky clean, SS have to look squeaky clean as well!
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Post by savingstream on Jun 1, 2014 8:44:57 GMT
Loan parts for sale are now instantly credited to the sellers account upon the 100% sale of that loan part and are immediately available for withdrawal regardless of if the buyer has purchased using GoCardless. The only instance of a seller not receiving funds immediately would be if the seller themselves were trying to withdraw uncleared GoCardless funds.
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