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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 3, 2016 12:49:59 GMT
I wonder what would have happened in this situation if it had been roles reversed? Very slow moving car followed by an impatient man on a cycle. Would the cyclist still have thought there was insufficient space to pass safely, or would he be happy to squeeze past? A situation which predominantly arises with slow moving / queuing traffic. It's the cyclist who is subject to the main risk. At least in this situation the cyclist is largely able to make the decision for themselves, whether it's the 'right' decision or the 'wrong' one. They wouldn't have anyone else to blame if it went pear shaped.
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Post by shimself on Sept 5, 2016 6:50:55 GMT
Finally the HC is clear that an overtaking car should give a car's width to over-take a bike. Actually it says leave as much space as if you were overtaking a car.
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Post by shimself on Sept 5, 2016 7:08:02 GMT
Whenever I am driving I try to be courteous and if it obvious that the vehicle behind wants to go a lot faster than me then I just let them pass. I wonder what would have happened in this situation if it had been roles reversed? Very slow moving car followed by an impatient man on a cycle. Would the cyclist still have thought there was insufficient space to pass safely, or would he be happy to squeeze past? isn't an accurate description, he was cycling at normal speed, he wasn't dawdling. What speed would you think would be safe for the car along that road if there wasn't a bike (my anwer is 20mph tops)? So the speed differential is under 10mph. The car driver wasn't going to profit from her behaviour, she was just aggrieved that there was someone in her way. If when driving a car someone is tailgating me and they can't pass I just slow right down until the distance become safe. On my bike I will overtake static traffic, but not moving vehicles. I don't expect them to see me in the mirror. No way would I have overtaken if roles were reversed there just isn't room. In a stop start queue I behave exactly as a car, riding in the middle of the lane, taking my turn with everyone else (I think that if the car drivers know what the cyclist is doing everybody's cool) This adds to the debate www.safecyclingiom.com/minimum-overtake-distance/4588861521
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Post by registerme on Sept 5, 2016 7:52:45 GMT
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Post by JamesFrance on Sept 5, 2016 9:10:44 GMT
I have had quite a different experience with cyclists. To me they are lycra louts who speed along canal towpaths regardless of pedestrians, animals or fishermen, who obviously annoy them by causing them to slow down if an accident is unavoidable otherwise. They seem to wear helmets for self protection but aim to pass within inches of others not similarly protected. If you are lucky you may get a brief warning by them ringing a bell to encourage you to get out of their way.
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Post by shimself on Sept 5, 2016 9:35:16 GMT
I have had quite a different experience with cyclists. To me they are lycra louts who speed along canal towpaths regardless of pedestrians, animals or fishermen, who obviously annoy them by causing them to slow down if an accident is unavoidable otherwise. They seem to wear helmets for self protection but aim to pass within inches of others not similarly protected. If you are lucky you may get a brief warning by them ringing a bell to encourage you to get out of their way. I am a cyclist and that does not describe me. I do use a bell, mainly to let pedestrians know that they have strayed onto a cycle path. (I'm thinking of getting a cowbell on the bike, so it's no longer me deliberately ringing a bell but it's just the bike making a noise)
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Post by JamesFrance on Sept 5, 2016 9:55:09 GMT
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Post by shimself on Sept 5, 2016 11:51:41 GMT
My brother's safe route to work on his bike went along a towpath in central London. It's difficult. He could dawdle (whatever the weather) - when really he just wants to get there go at safe commuting speed and sometimes ring bell (and get accused of being aggressive) go on the road with all the risks that entails. I don't know the details of Boris's bike lanes (not that I suppose he does either), but that has to be the way to go - I kind of hope in the future that self driving uber type cars limited to 15mph but connected so as to much reduce jams, and fewer of them because nobody owns one might be effective
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Post by adrianc on Sept 5, 2016 12:37:16 GMT
I don't know the details of Boris's bike lanes (not that I suppose he does either) Probably not least because they're Sadiq's now. A fortnight ago, SWMBO was hit by a cyclist, on a shared path, in a London park. Unconscious, ambulance, CT scan, nine stitches, concussion. As with so many of these things, it was a long way from being clear-cut as to who was at fault. EVERYBODY needs to pay attention and be aware of everybody else, no matter what form of transport they may be using.
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Post by bracknellboy on Feb 1, 2017 21:17:50 GMT
Bump www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38824924Verdict is in: guilty (the car driver, not JV). Also guilty of driving unlicensed vehicle. Also "number of previous convictions including assaults and thefts", not that previous performance should be construed as an indicator of current or future of course. |
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 2, 2017 11:06:30 GMT
I have long experience of cycling in Britain, Belgium and the Netherlands. Cycling in Britain is an entirely different experience compared to the other two because of the chaotic infrastructure which throws cyclists and cars together, making cycling a bit of an adventure.
The other critical difference is that in B and NL, almost everyone is both a cyclist and a car driver. So car drivers have respect because they are the cyclists on other days. In Britain it is far more common to hear 'I am a car driver and I hate cyclists', Clarkson style views. As the Brits are not genetically different from the Belgians etc, this must surely come about because the poor cycling infrastructure in the UK deters a significant proportion of the population ever from cycling.
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Post by registerme on Feb 2, 2017 12:03:38 GMT
.......this must surely come about because the poor cycling infrastructure in the UK deters a significant proportion of the population ever from cycling. Don't forget all the damn hills!
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Post by adrianc on Feb 2, 2017 13:58:52 GMT
.......this must surely come about because the poor cycling infrastructure in the UK deters a significant proportion of the population ever from cycling. Don't forget all the damn hills! Yep... The terrain around here (on the edge of the Brecon Beacons) is not quite the same as that in NL.
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 2, 2017 21:03:15 GMT
So where is the government on hill levelling then? They are doing nothing. The bloody Tories hate cyclists so they haven't flattened a single hillock, let alone a knoll or drumlin. How do they expect to have continental levels of cycling with all this undulation? It's a disgrace.
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 2, 2017 21:42:33 GMT
So where is the government on hill levelling then? They are doing nothing. The bloody Tories hate cyclists so they haven't flattened a single hillock, let alone a knoll or drumlin. How do they expect to have continental levels of cycling with all this undulation? It's a disgrace. Havent you been paying attention? It will start once we've left the EU. It was in big letters on the side of a bus. '£350 million for the NHS' That is the National Hill-Levelling Scheme' not, as has been widely misreported, the Health Service. 
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