dovap
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Post by dovap on Jan 20, 2017 13:15:52 GMT
somewhat bizzare update Sales particulars being prepared and property will be advertised over next week.when the property has been on market, and still is, for 3 months to date eg z****a, e*****s g*****e, c*****n & c*****n Probably the borrower who has been advertising it, this will be the receivers. In that context it makes sense. We await the LPA report/proposal which must be due shortly, we dont even know if they have taken possession of the security. the same 'receivers' who've been on the case since the op back in September ? Suppose you never know and someone somewhere might actually be doing something
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Post by moist on Jan 20, 2017 14:18:50 GMT
so should 56/64 be flagged red?
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Post by cooling_dude on Jan 20, 2017 14:31:13 GMT
so should 56/64 be flagged red? No receivers appointed @ 64, so not defaulted 56 is less clear; receivers appointed and SS noted the following (3 months Ago)... 3 months have passed and no sign the farm will sell anytime soon. No information about where the interest is coming from... There are instructions in the receivers 'rule book' (it may even be law, but I have never worked it out) that a site needs to be on the market for a certain duration before the receivers can force the site into auction. That may be the case here.
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Post by elliotn on Jan 20, 2017 14:35:46 GMT
so should 56/64 be flagged red? May depend on if lenders have still been receiving interest paid. I seemed to have read that SS may take it on the chin for 1 or 2 loans where they think there is sufficient equity in the security. Use of their receiver to oversee sale is not counted as an automatic default, such as the recent Hackney sales I believe.
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Post by dualinvestor on Jan 21, 2017 10:30:44 GMT
so should 56/64 be flagged red? May depend on if lenders have still been receiving interest paid. I seemed to have read that SS may take it on the chin for 1 or 2 loans where they think there is sufficient equity in the security. Use of their receiver to oversee sale is not counted as an automatic default, such as the recent Hackney sales I believe. Usually a receiver is appointed after a loan has defaulted. It would be a highly unsual charge that would provide for the appointment if the loan was not in default, even if it was only becuase the repayment was late but there has to be a trigger point allowing the chargeholder to take recovery procedings. PBL056 is of course under the old T&Cs so Lendy was acting as principal and a charge on the property is subject to a diferent agreement than the loans to Lendy, so there can be a default on one (Lendy/borrower) but not the other (Lendy/Lender). On the other hand in PBL 064 is under the new terms and conditions when Lendy/SS act as agent therefore meaning default is on both sides, hence why unless and until receivers are appointed on PBL 064 it does not have to be declared in default and for PBL 056 Lendy/SS have wide discretion.
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Post by r1200gs on Jan 22, 2017 13:29:31 GMT
Indeed, any of us who have got down to the bottom (and it's very deep indeed) of this chaps dealings would be wondering just what he has to do in order to make it worse.
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Post by dualinvestor on Jan 22, 2017 13:38:27 GMT
............. There are instructions in the receivers 'rule book' ( it may even be law, but I have never worked it out) that a site needs to be on the market for a certain duration before the receivers can force the site into auction. That may be the case here. It is not law, good practise and law dictates that the Receiver must obtain the "best price in the circumstances." It is common belief that a auction will usually not achieve as good a price as a open market sale, empirically apart from in exceptional circumstances that does seem to be the case. A Receiver (or Administrator) is not bound by any law to follow any particular course of action. Every property/asset will be assessed on its merits, the default position will be to offer it on the open market through the most appropriate selling agent (eg a specialist in the field if it is an unusual asset, or, say, Savills if it is a large chunk of agricultural land) and if no buyer is found in a reasonable timescale place it in an auction, often with a reserve. On PBL 020 if the udate of 23 December is correct that is exactly what happenned, although there is no evidence of the property being put into auction yet, although the timescale is now getting a little tight as the scheduled date is February. However if circumstancfes dictate there is nothing in law or practise to stop a receiver putting the property into auction of the day of his appointment, if it sells there is no legal remedy to reverse that sale. At some later stage the Receiver might be clled upon to justify that action and may even be sued for negligence or thrown out of his professional body but there is nothig that can be done before the fact to proactively stop him. Of course given the potentially dire consequences of acting unprofessionally few, if any, receivers will sell by auction before being satisfied that the market has been tested. EDIT I think there may be a answer to the confusion as to why people believe there is a specified time limit for Receivers, there is one for Baliffs and Sheriffs (England and Wales ones not Scotland), if a baliff or sherrif seizes goods in respect of a judgement debt the owner has 28 days to pay or the goods will be put into auction. This does not apply to Receivers.
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Post by cooling_dude on Jan 22, 2017 13:39:20 GMT
56 is less clear; receivers appointed and SS noted the following (3 months Ago)... 3 months have passed and no sign the farm will sell anytime soon. No information about where the interest is coming from... There are instructions in the receivers 'rule book' (it may even be law, but I have never worked it out) that a site needs to be on the market for a certain duration before the receivers can force the site into auction. That may be the case here. Been looking at this out of interest and strictly from a layman's perspective and it would appear that it isn't law. It appears that the receiver can sell as soon at it likes to recover the mortgagee's / lender's equity with no real duty of care to the mortgagor / borrower other than to ensure it doesn't disadvantage the borrower at the date of the sale. It appears that this doesn't mean the receiver, in disposing of the asset, has to legally consider a date - or any other aspect of the disposal - which may potentially gets 'best price' or even a 'better price' simply because it may suit the borrower. I suspect though that whilst it may be legally possible to dispose on day 1, there may certain considerations which make a later date more practical. In terms of real estate, the property may need to be vacated and secured. There may also be some consideration over possible reputational damage, with the 'fat cat' lender being seen as not giving the property fair chance on the open market to return a decent price so that borrower may at least walk away with something. Lastly, by being seen to be 'exploring all avenues' before going to auction, there is less likely be any potential for litigation by the borrower further down the line. So, legal obligation? Apparently not. More likely just a practical approach. My knowledge came via updates from FS for some defaulted loans. For example, 1442701959 ... However, my knowledge of this area is DIY at best. When discussed with somebody more knowledgeable, they agreed with you (I have PM'd you to point you in the right direction - you will need a spade ). It may be that FS have wrongly interpreted the receivers 'practical approach' as something to be required by law. Edit : Crossed with the (more knowledgeable!) dualinvestor
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 22, 2017 18:55:40 GMT
56 is less clear; receivers appointed and SS noted the following (3 months Ago)... 3 months have passed and no sign the farm will sell anytime soon. No information about where the interest is coming from... Looking at the actual time of that SS update, not only have 3 months passed... we're about a week away from four months having passed.
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Post by geraldine1210 on Mar 7, 2017 18:54:31 GMT
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Post by geraldine1210 on Mar 7, 2017 19:32:36 GMT
I'm wondering if it's because it doesn't have a Loan Particulars tab, which is - as far as I can see - the only place in a loan's details that mentions is it defaulted. It says it is defaulted. You can't see it from phone, but can from tablet or laptop. However, it should be taken from available loans to defaulted loans.
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Post by cooling_dude on Mar 7, 2017 19:50:27 GMT
I'm wondering if it's because it doesn't have a Loan Particulars tab, which is - as far as I can see - the only place in a loan's details that mentions is it defaulted. It says it is defaulted. You can't see it from phone, but can from tablet or laptop. However, it should be taken from available loans to defaulted loans. Breaking News.... My Default/ Negative Loan list is a more reliable source for such information than the actual SS website...
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Post by geraldine1210 on Mar 7, 2017 19:59:49 GMT
It says it is defaulted. You can't see it from phone, but can from tablet or laptop. However, it should be taken from available loans to defaulted loans. Breaking News.... My Default/ Negative Loan list is a more reliable source for such information than the actual SS website... Goes without saying. :-)
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Post by mosaic on Mar 7, 2017 20:01:04 GMT
Being a bit of a smart a** but ....
20. Within five working days of a loan being defaulted it will be placed within the Default Loans section of the platform.
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