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Post by wiseclerk on Oct 8, 2016 8:15:29 GMT
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ablender
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Post by ablender on Oct 8, 2016 9:18:30 GMT
From what I understood using an online translation, it does not sound good.
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Post by rick24 on Oct 8, 2016 11:11:51 GMT
He/she is basically saying there are too many defaults and that reminders to the borrowers have not been effective, plus FC have not paid back recovered money to the lender on time or, in one case, not yet, despite assurances to the contrary. In addition, they haven't published statistics, despite promising to do so. So not very impressed with the credit ratings and the competence of FC. This German branch of FC was previously zencap.
(I translate German for a living although this is just a summary).
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Post by nightmare on Oct 10, 2016 13:35:58 GMT
I didn't realise that h**1997 could write German although it would explain why his English is so terrible.
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Post by blender on Oct 10, 2016 19:14:38 GMT
I didn't realise that h**1997 could write German although it would explain why his English is so terrible. Careful of using non-inclusive language there, nightmare. h**1997 could be a girl
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Post by fasty on Oct 10, 2016 19:41:14 GMT
I didn't realise that h**1997 could write German although it would explain why his English is so terrible. Careful of using non-inclusive language there, nightmare. h**1997 could be a girl Or even a woman
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Post by blender on Oct 10, 2016 21:42:50 GMT
Careful of using non-inclusive language there, nightmare. h**1997 could be a girl Or even a woman Sorry, Miss.
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Post by thetimesbusiness on Oct 20, 2016 17:23:44 GMT
Hi there - (apologies for repetition for anyone who saw this on another thread) - I'm a journalist at The Times and am interested in any lenders' thoughts on P2P approaches to distressed / late loans. Have noticed on here and on other forums that with FC, there appears to be a lot of anger about an alleged benign attitude which is very easy going on the borrowers. Anyone keen to express their views, please email me on james.hurley@thetimes.co.uk
Thanks
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Post by andyp on Oct 20, 2016 20:05:29 GMT
Hi James
It will be nice to see a journalist shine a light on FC, something to look forward to. When you do perhaps you could post a copy on here so it can be seen by us tightwads who won't shell out for a peek through Ruperts paywall?
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Post by fp on Oct 21, 2016 19:57:52 GMT
Just let us know the day before it airs so we can sell our shares in FCIF and then buy back the following day.....
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Post by davee39 on Oct 21, 2016 22:03:41 GMT
Hi there - (apologies for repetition for anyone who saw this on another thread) - I'm a journalist at The Times and am interested in any lenders' thoughts on P2P approaches to distressed / late loans. Have noticed on here and on other forums that with FC, there appears to be a lot of anger about an alleged benign attitude which is very easy going on the borrowers. Anyone keen to express their views, please email me on james.hurley@thetimes.co.uk Thanks I think some of the anger follows from a failure to understand that there are differences between the treatment of personal and business loans. RS and Zopa default personal loans after the fourth payment is missed, which I believe is an industry standard for personal lending. With RS this is invisible to the lender since a loan is fully repaid by the provision fund after the first late payment. The position with business loans is different, since an inappropriate default can lead to an otherwise viable, but temporarily troubled, business stopping trading. RBS has been criticized for forcing businesses into administration following default when a less aggressive approach would have allowed the business to survive. FC will often work with an SME without defaulting loans if they can see a viable plan that could lead to a better outcome than a default followed by administration. Property loans present another set of problems. FC has an unreliable IT system which fails if it is breathed on and cannot make unplanned payments. This has led to a promise that payments due from the most overdue loan will be paid as a lump sum eventually. Perhaps some of the most vociferous lenders do not understand the inevitability of delays in repayment of property loans. Defaulting these involves calling in the assets and starting a lengthy and costly sale process. If a development is not complete this could lead to significant losses. Assetz Capital have had some problem loans where, following a default, recovery has been a very protracted process. There is a widespread belief that property is a sound investment, but a failure to understand that it can also be illiquid, with loans not able to be repaid on demand. This needs to be made clearer as part of the Risk warning. I no longer lend through FC because I am not impressed with many aspects of the company - Poor IT - Poor customer Service - Bots running wild and snapping up new loans in seconds - A decline in the quality of loans leading to inadequate risk/reward - Costly overseas expansion and large losses by the platform itself Treatment of late loans has never been an issue
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Post by mrclondon on Oct 21, 2016 22:34:13 GMT
I have been VERY impressed with FC's recovery efforts on the defaulted loans I hold, with recoveries (in £) running well ahead of my expectations. The recovery process has to be taylored to fit the type of loan, the type of security and the reasons behind the non-payment. To expect repayment of a p2p loan on the due date or in any short timeframe thereafter is living in cloud cookoo land. The last thing that p2p lenders who actually understand debt financing need is another sensationlist newpaper expose highlighting a non-issue. But thats whats sells newspapers of course. A well researched article explaining what a fantastic job p2p platforms do at recovering defaulted loans within 12 to 18 months typically (outliers of 6 months and upto 5 years) wouldn't be worth printing. 'tis sad when a once respected broadsheet feels it has to go down this route, and does lead to cynical observations of what the real motivation might be. It certainly isn't about educating potential investors. thetimesbusiness fyi, I have been a p2p lender since shortly after zopa launched in 2006, and have a substantial 6 figure sum split across multiple platforms. My default losses over the last ten years have been miniscule, largely as a result of the dedicated professionalism of the platforms (including both FC & SS) in securing the best possible recovery for lenders. Rushing recoveries is just about the worst strategy imaginable as it is almost guaranteed to reduce the total value recovered.
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Post by rxdav on Oct 29, 2016 15:47:13 GMT
Mrclondon,
Just read this and nearly choked on my drink (a very nice Sauvignon as it happens). So you are not just very impressed, but VERY impressed at the outcomes of FC's recovery team's efforts?
Well all I can say is that you must be very, if not VERY easily impressed (or maybe a covert lobbyist and/or employee)!?
In my three year experience with FC they have consistently proved to be about as much use a chocolate frying pan with respect to recoveries - and that denigrates chocolate frying pans as at least in extremis you can eat them.
Unbelievable!!
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Oct 29, 2016 15:57:20 GMT
rxdav .. since mrclondon is the prime mover behind this P2P site, and definitely not a fan of FC in any general sense, I think you are maybe misinterpreting his comments. The view may also depend on which dud loans you chose to invest in .. some have absolutely no hope (and FC realises it, and puts in minimal effort), whereas they do not too badly on the ones where there is some scope to get money back. I am not a fan of theirs either (see 'cr&ppy scrappy' threads), but that's more about the loans they should never have made in the first place. Go compare the FC recovery achievements with those at ReBS, and you'll see that it can get quite a bit worse. 8>. Unsecured SME lending (you can safely ignore directors guarantees in most cases) are risky stuff, and when it goes wrong, it quite often goes 100% wrong, which is why I am blowed if I am going to make loans to alleged A+/A/B rated companies for 5 years at the sort of rates that Feeling Cheerful want me to play for.
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Post by rxdav on Oct 29, 2016 16:26:53 GMT
GSV3MIaC,
I no longer have any money in unsecured loans with Fairly Cr*p - having learned my lesson quite quickly. I do however still have property loans but churn 100% of these prior to the 1 month to maturity cut off point - at which juncture (as you know) it becomes 'go straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect 200'!! As a consequence, I have managed to avoid any contact whatsoever (via zero defaults) with FC's 'recoveries' team for quite some time now - which has enabled me to remain relatively placid and not morph into a clone of hor19**.
Like many posters I have been quite saddened to witness the deterioration of FC, it's business practices and growing contempt for what was once it's core base of lenders (before the Corporate money arrived). It was a sound P2P platform which I was content to use and indeed recommend (notwithstanding it's appalling IT) - but as I suspect you may agree, it has long been surpassed and an icon of it's ilk.
If I have done Mrclondon a disservice then I shall beat myself severely as punishment - and even deny myself further Sauvignon! Furthermore, you are likely correct insofar as you suggest recovery teams can get worse than FC (I am aware you are something of an expert in these matters - your posting non de plume is not easily mistaken). However, that is rather akin to comparing the pain associated with various types of death. The pain may vary in degree - but cessation of breathing is the collective end point - metaphorically speaking of course.
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