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Post by masquedefer on Jul 7, 2017 17:12:02 GMT
Hasta la vista CD!
BTW "antes de salir" could you have a look at my new post re PBL081. Your comments as always would be most welcome.
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Post by GeorgeT on Jul 7, 2017 17:51:07 GMT
Cement headlines of 12%, 365D, c50% purchase price should tick a lot of your boxes. For DD, no dirt on the borrower who was exercising a long term fixed option and the site had already appreciated above purchase price and development could not start during term so this was essentially a holding loan to secure the option which helped to de-risk alongside considerable borrower equity. A win-win for both strategies. What he said (I didn't see georget post) There were some red flags on the borrower's side, but the security was sound Ironically, my loan parts just sold... probably to Georgie Boy Ironically I didn't think the security was sound at all. And I'm not the King of DD. I invested for strategic reasons and have now sold out. I think we are both better off out of it. I know the site well, drove past it every day for years and it's a well known problem site. It's known locally as the BCW. But I suppose S by S sounds nicer and enables them to add value even though it's several miles from the sea and it's in the middle of nowhere at UB. Locals have been arguing about it for over 20 years. The western part of it is on a floodplain and is sinking. Development costs would be abnormally high. An all on stilts kind of job. Local infrastructure is inadequate around there. It's also in the XXX National Park. Most locals don't think it will ever be developed and whatever plans have been put forward over the last 20 years have all gone nowhere because of all sorts of issues. The current owner has owned it for 20 years and every single plan has come to nothing. Is the LY borrower really going to blow £9m on this white elephant of a site? The exit strategy was to either enter into a development scheme with partner or sell the site on with planning permission. Getting PP in a National Park and selling on will be nigh on impossible except in the long term and no development plans will ever get off the ground IMO. Only 9 months left to run on the loan. The suggested £9 million purchase price is silly IMO. £12m ridiculous beyond belief. £650k an acre for the western part of the site??? - problematic commercial land in the middle of nowhere , possibly contaminated - blue asbestos problems raised in the past - on the local river floodplain, rated as high risk of flooding by EA and has flooded several times in the past, in an area with useless transport links? I'd halve that. And then knock a bit off. Real LTV 100% minimum IMO. I invested in it because it was 12% and 365 days. A straight strategic decision. I sold out around 1-2 weeks ago after copping about 3 months risk free 12% interest. Given the size of the loan I expect it will soon become illiquid on the SM and therefore on loan size grounds it fails my keep longer than 3 months test. I just don't see how the borrower will be able to repay.
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Jul 7, 2017 18:30:57 GMT
I've temporarily locked this thread while I remove details that my id a Borrower.... please hang on or come back later.
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Post by GeorgeT on Jul 7, 2017 21:23:44 GMT
The current owner has owned it for 20 years and every single plan has come to nothing. Is the LY borrower really going to blow £9m on this white elephant of a site? The current owner is the borrower and has only owned it for as long as the loan The previous owner C******** LIMITED couldn't sell because of the option which was in place by our borrower, and in place at the agreed price since 2007, and is a good representation of the price at the time. This option was coming to an end, the fact that the owner was unwilling to extend it shows that they must have thought that the land was worth more than the option price Don't get me wrong, this was not one of my favourite loans, but the security was good as far as I could see CD - I'm left a bit confused. Perhaps you help. The LR website shows the site was sold on 7/4/2017 for £4.8m. Which is almost exactly the amount of the loan. However the LY website states "The borrowers are exercising an option to purchase the site for £9,000,000". Can you clarify?
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Post by GeorgeT on Jul 7, 2017 22:01:26 GMT
Hmmm. Helpful but I'm not entirely convinced. I will have to do some more DD!
The quarry land is worth very little. It's dangerous, steeply sloping and unstable and fenced off with security guard to keep kids out. The 85 acres at £10k an acre amenity land value in the VR seemed overcooked to me. Though I suppose there might be tax issues in play here and how people split up sale prices can be manipulated.
Probably this is all in the wrong thread and should be under the loan thread.
I have to say I never realised this DD stuff was so interesting. This is getting dangerous now - I could get addicted.
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Post by GeorgeT on Jul 7, 2017 22:18:32 GMT
I'm on it. Already £3 lighter Edit - £9 lighter. Bought 2 title docs + 1 plan to ensure my DD was thorough.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 22:27:02 GMT
Is this really happening ..... cooling_dude is leaving and will be sorely missed .... but GeorgeT is taking over the DD mantle ...... AND they're getting on like a house on fire as duties are handed over!!
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Post by p2plender on Jul 8, 2017 6:37:59 GMT
Large purchase of jm* loan on the sm.. £125000
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Post by adrianc on Jul 8, 2017 14:16:22 GMT
Is this really happening ..... cooling_dude is leaving and will be sorely missed ... I thought he'd gone at least once before...
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Post by d_saver on Jul 11, 2017 8:13:46 GMT
Big chunks of ALL the default loans gone this morning and overnight. Lendy changes have enticed someone...
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Post by r1200gs on Jul 11, 2017 8:14:59 GMT
Big chunks of ALL the default loans gone this morning and overnight. Lendy changes have enticed someone... Same story with all the bonus loans.
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Post by d_saver on Jul 11, 2017 8:21:27 GMT
Big chunks of ALL the default loans gone this morning and overnight. Lendy changes have enticed someone... Same story with all the bonus loans. Yes. Looks like it - For the first time in a while, around 250k flowing INTO SM, rather than out of it...
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Post by GeorgeT on Jul 11, 2017 12:41:09 GMT
If people are acting on the back of the important update email they are assuming all those changes have been implemented and went active at the time the email was sent out yesterday afternoon?
I thought they were improvements in the pipeline and we would hear further,though in one case it did state that the change would take effect from 1st August.
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Post by d_saver on Jul 11, 2017 12:58:43 GMT
If people are acting on the back of the important update email they are assuming all those changes have been implemented and went active at the time the email was sent out yesterday afternoon? I thought they were improvements in the pipeline and we would hear further,though in one case it did state that the change would take effect from 1st August. Not necessarily (I think). 2 things. 1, people may be cancelling parts for sale in the knowledge that in future, they'll be paid at least some of the interest Lendy previously just kept for themselves (assuming the debt is recovered). They may also be making some investments in what they think are solid loans, but overdue, in the hope of increased rates. 2, If you wanted to have a punt on those higher interest rate loans, especially the default ones, you have limited time to do it as defaulted loans will no longer be tradable under the new terms and there isn't much available on some of them. You might want to make your investment sooner than later.
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Post by moogman on Jul 11, 2017 12:59:50 GMT
ISTM that people are cancelling their SM/default loans, rather than us seeing an increased amount of investment in the SM/default loans.
If that is the case, the liquidity profile remains broadly the same (even though the SM looks "healthier").
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