oldgrumpy
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Post by oldgrumpy on May 7, 2014 8:14:38 GMT
Wonderful way of running a business - NOT!! The 5346 auction closed on 13 March at a rate of 10.4%. I had a small bit at the top rate of 11.8%. Well worth bidding for....NOT! Now after one payment the loan has been downgraded, already about to be paid off with a new loan. Auction? NO!! Now FC have offered the company a fixed rate 8.5% "Commercial Mortgage". Congratulations to the company! I wonder, is (part of) the new loan to be used "... to purchase caravan base parts and caravans to sell on which will assemble within the business and sell on as a profit" which was the purpose of 5346 just a few weeks ago? Why couldn't FC have offered this to the borrower in the first place, rather than messing the lenders about? I notice that although my rate would drop from 11.8% to 8.5% (no, I haven't bid on it!) FC's take remains on 1% so it matters not a jot to them!! When FC expects us to be bidding on all the wonderful loans they list, I don't expect to be treated in this manner, and I think the time has come (what with all the other recent dubious performances by FC, well discussed on our forum threads) to stop bidding completely on FC and try somewhere else. Anyone got any ideas? Today is a good day to be Grumpy.
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Post by oldgrumpy on May 7, 2014 8:17:07 GMT
Aaaaaaaahhhhh! Three bananas. I feel better now.
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Post by bracknellboy on May 7, 2014 8:20:21 GMT
that is b****y outrageous. The only possible mitigating circumstance I could think of is that the lender accepted the original because they had to get short term funding in place, but did not like the rate and would therefore have sought alternative funding anyway which could then have come from a 3rd party with the same consequence. But otherwise, it stinks. FC churning business to their benefit and to the detriment of lenders.
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Post by jackpease on May 7, 2014 9:06:54 GMT
>>>>stop bidding completely on FC and try somewhere else.
Where though? Funding Knight hasn't had a loan for weeks. ReBS loans often don't fill. Assetz too few, floor limit on Thincats too high for me - I'm having to swallow my principles and put money into FC despite sharing your feelings
Jack
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Post by batchoy on May 7, 2014 9:37:36 GMT
I've been running down my FC portfolio for several months due to a lack of confidence in the platform and those running it; no new money and repayments are being withdrawn and diverted to Bondora on the grounds that if I'm going to be putting my money into unsecured loans I may as well get a decent rate for it. Plus I note that Bondora have now got an interim licence from the FCA.
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Post by jm72 on May 7, 2014 10:22:45 GMT
Should have sold 5346 while you had the chance - it was only downgraded yesterday, about 5 days after the new loan had been listed. With the top interest rate, you could probably have sold for a decent margin (I managed to shift some lower interest rate loan parts for a reasonable margin), then got the 2% cashback on the new loan as well. Might not have made the full difference between 11.8% and 8.5% - but would have got pretty close.
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Post by blender on May 7, 2014 11:00:18 GMT
Poor old Grumpy, missed a trick there. Must have been having a doze. 6036 has not been drawn down yet so you may get 5346 back. One small consolation is that when a loan is paid early interest is paid to the next repayment date, 13th May - so you should get a few days extra interest. We animals must stick together - four legs good, two legs bad. So I would be happy to sell Grumpy some or all of my 6036 at par, if it is taken up. It has something called security, whatever that is.
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Post by oldgrumpy on May 7, 2014 11:09:13 GMT
Poor old Grumpy, missed a trick there. Must have been having a doze.
Dozy indeed!! I didn't even look at the 8.5% deal (no deal!!!) and although I saw that it was consolidating a previous loan which I had, it never occurred to me that 6036 was the one replacing the very recent loan which I had already had that consolidation message about.
Silly a*se more like!
blender ...surprised you've bought into that at all!
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Post by bracknellboy on May 7, 2014 11:49:44 GMT
We animals must stick together - four legs good, two legs bad. Umm, and I thought OG had two legs.....so I think you've just 'badded' him.
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Post by blender on May 7, 2014 12:38:49 GMT
Umm, and I thought OG had two legs.....so I think you've just 'badded' him. There were no gorillas in Animal farm* and so this problem did not arise, however the four legs is just a way of expessing the man/animal distinction, and Old Grumpy and I are definitely animals. The following authoritative statement rather blurs the distinction between arms and legs. 'Arms1.Gorillas have larger muscles in their arms than in their legs (the opposite is true for humans). This is primarily due to the fact that they use their increased arm strength for bending and gathering foliage and for defense. Although capable of walking upright on two feet they most often walk as a quadruped (on four limbs).' I think the primate status causes confusion and leads to grumpiness and possible posting difficulties. But grumpy, surprisingly, can speak for himself. Grumpy - it was a commercial mortgage, not residential, and I was blinded by the 2% cashback and the fact that it was 98% full and had to make an impulse buy. I will see what it will sell for (the offer still open). * Gratuitous avatar explanation. One of the principles in the story was that 'all animals are equal'. Gradually the pigs took charge and established the qualification 'all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others'. This is what we try to acheive as engaged FC lenders, just as FC is a peer to peer servicing provider platform, but increasingly looks like a bank in ambition and attitude.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on May 7, 2014 12:40:18 GMT
Nah, he's a grilla, ain't he, so actually he has 4 armlegs (OK, admittedly not as much so as a real monkey ... oops, sorry librarian!). 8>.
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Post by blender on May 7, 2014 12:50:47 GMT
In modern CGI films centaurs now have four legs and two arms. But they are mythical, not real like Grumpy.
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Post by bracknellboy on May 7, 2014 13:18:02 GMT
* Gratuitous avatar explanation. One of the principles in the story was that 'all animals are equal'. Gradually the pigs took charge and established the qualification 'all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others'. This is what we try to acheive as engaged FC lenders, just as FC is a peer to peer servicing provider platform, but increasingly looks like a bank in ambition and attitude. Ah, but if my memory serves me correct, by the end Napoleon and his close associates have learnt to walk, and "four legs good, two legs bad" has become "four legs good, two legs better", completing the normal cycle of nearly all uprising of the masses.
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Post by blender on May 7, 2014 15:13:37 GMT
That's right. Most Autobidders would be the four-legged ones. This forum is for those who wish to walk on two. You should not believe what I post - just note what the avatar is doing (or trying to do).
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Post by blender on May 7, 2014 15:44:22 GMT
Looking again at 6036, I notice that it is still in the loan requests and has nearly 2 days to go. Presumably this means that it has not been accepted yet, and the borrower has 5 working days after the 'end of auction' to accept and draw it down. Timed nicely they could pay off the existing loan just before the repayment on 13th and avoid paying interest on a loan already repaid. Grumpy would not benefit. But miss it by a day and draw down on 14th and Grumpy would get a whole month's extra interest - it was in the T&Cs last time I looked and so cannot be avoided. What will happen? They may refuse the loan and my money would have spent two weeks in limbo - then Grumpy might be Happy to retain 5346.
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