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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jun 26, 2014 18:48:51 GMT
Plus this one is amortised over 25 years, which is slightly different, mark-up wise, than 'interest only'. But still a rather miserable 7% (plus 2% cash back)
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Post by fasty on Jul 17, 2014 12:34:42 GMT
Another whopper of a property loan today (Hampshire, 6985).
£620,000, A+, 7.5% fixed, interest only, 18 months, 2% splashback.
Not wildly exciting, so I imagine it will take a while to fill. But now you know.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jul 17, 2014 12:51:02 GMT
More exciting than the last 520k one though, so I guess FC tweaked it a bit. Like you say though, no rush...
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Post by blender on Jul 17, 2014 14:01:03 GMT
That 520k one, 6750 7% over 36m, is being offered at -1.5%. So not much of the 2% cashback left. Even the better one, 6879 8% over 12m, is at -0.9%; it's early days there. But it would seem that these loans are getting less of an oppportunity for true flippers (by which I mean people who hope to sell before the first repayment). This new one, 7.5% for 18 m is just a bit less attractive a deal than was 6504, 7.5% for 15m, which is currently sticky at -0.8%. The new one will make it more difficult to flip the old ones, which in turn will discourage the boot-filled flippers buying more, and those that do will be more picky. Increasingly you have to be prepared to keep these to term or give away most of the cashback. Fingers crossed.
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Post by GentlemansFamilyFinances on Jul 23, 2014 10:26:56 GMT
I think that we've reached a time when flipping on these 2% bonus loans is more or less making the flipper no money at all.
It turns out that while the bonus is non-taxable - the discount and selling fee don't count towards (reducing) your taxable income.
£100 loaned with 2% bonus less 1.5% discount and 0.25% fee = £0.25 Given that your money will be tied up for a few weeks - that's a terrible return and any interest earned in that time (7% for 1 month is around 50p) is taxed!
Good for a long term hold - but not good for flippers out there.
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Post by fasty on Jul 24, 2014 19:59:56 GMT
And another one...
London property 7102, £400000, A+, 36 months, 8% fixed, interest only, 2% splashback.
3 property loans online at once! FC must be confident about filling this lot.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jul 24, 2014 21:04:18 GMT
The autobid limit is SUPPOSED to be 'per BUSINESS' IIRC, so splitting the loan will have no effect .. actually given the way autobid is tuned to fill everything up to same %age, they'd get more chucked into this one (or 'faster' anyway) if it was listed as a single 800k loan, which autobid would try to fill up to the same as all the other loans. I doubt there is enough autobid money to fund even one 400k chunk though.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jul 30, 2014 14:40:50 GMT
Hmm, the second part has now appeared, and it does, indeed, look like autobid won't touch it with a 10 foot pole for those users who already have some of part1. I suspect this one could be VERY hard to fill (it's basically an 800k loan already, with yet more to come in future). I guess FC may wind up having to buy some themselves ...
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Post by baz657 on Jul 30, 2014 14:52:48 GMT
Jeez.
The first part only finished late last night, quite a few days early and was drawn down this morning. That must be one hell of a flow of cash going in there.
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Post by blender on Jul 30, 2014 16:26:06 GMT
This second tranche, of five, is following directly to minimise the funding risk - which I take to mean that they wish to complete the development asap. [edit - sorry had not read all the info: the first two were always intended to cover the purchase up front.] Many are thinking that London prices, especially at the top end, will cool or even correct - as we need to to limit London house price inflation without using interest rate controls which would damage other regions. It is lucky that our gov has the present chance to apply sanctions against Russian money which tends to stoke up the top end prices. They will not miss this opportunity. So early completion and sale would be wise here - for the developer to maximise profit without too much risk. FC and its lenders will be strained to raise that total sum very quickly. We can expect that 36 months to be rather shorter, whch could make this borrower increasingly attractive?
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Post by davee39 on Jul 30, 2014 16:58:34 GMT
At least the cash is for a modest £4.5m London Apartment and wont be wasted building houses for people who actually need them.
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Post by blender on Jul 30, 2014 17:21:12 GMT
Quite so, davee39 – in fact it has the opposite effect if you consider what was there before. You just have to convince yourself, as you invest, that the project will save large sums in undeserved housing benefit.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Aug 1, 2014 21:50:02 GMT
7220 A+ 2% cashback + 8% £450K 12 months 7214 A+ 2% cashback + 7.5% £110K 14 months
Think I'll park repayments into 7220 while I can (and there's nothing else worth doing)
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Post by fasty on Aug 2, 2014 0:06:51 GMT
7220 A+ 2% cashback + 8% £450K 12 months 7214 A+ 2% cashback + 7.5% £110K 14 months Think I'll park repayments into 7220 while I can (and there's nothing else worth doing) Thanks for pointing those out because otherwise I would have missed them. Curious that FC feel the need to have the slightly higher rate to fill the larger loan. I would have imagined that it would be relatively attractive already as it is only over 12 months.
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Post by blender on Aug 2, 2014 8:10:39 GMT
7220 A+ 2% cashback + 8% £450K 12 months 7214 A+ 2% cashback + 7.5% £110K 14 months Think I'll park repayments into 7220 while I can (and there's nothing else worth doing) Thanks for pointing those out because otherwise I would have missed them. Curious that FC feel the need to have the slightly higher rate to fill the larger loan. I would have imagined that it would be relatively attractive already as it is only over 12 months.
Agree that 7220 is a better bet, especially because FC have screwed up on 7214, in that it is a second tranche but they have not linked it to the first through the financials (no link and no little symbol). Therefore it is shown as a new Borrower, and presumably will have to be withdrawn and re-run. Anyone feel like telling them?
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