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Post by GeorgeT on May 4, 2017 9:34:31 GMT
There are a number of different adjectives that could be used to describe the act of lending other people's money to someone with a criminal record for theft,a twice former bankrupt and general all round notorious individual who has 'won' high profile £multi million cases against big Banks and was under active scrutiny by Members of Parliament no less.
All information available within 5 minutes on Google by a schoolboy. Somehow it beggars belief that Lendy's DD which equals or even surpasses that of most mainstream lenders did not pick any of this up. I put it down to a combination of naivety and the arrogance of youth.
I feel a quite substantial loss coming on here particularly in relation to the tin shed on the industrial estate which was masquerading as a high specification office building and valued accordingly, enhanced by the high spec office rent being paid to another of the Borrowers companies.
Given previous press attention to this borrower I am sure it will be quite widely reported in the national press when the final outcome is known. Perhaps, for that reason alone, Lendy will dig deep into their own pockets so there are no losses for the media to get stuck into.
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Post by lendinglawyer on May 4, 2017 9:41:53 GMT
Now now, let's not forget you have to do your own DD. Lendy didn't lend anyone's money. They just put the loan on their platform for others to choose to lend their own money... Should they have done the former? Absolutely not. But are they responsible for the latter? Equally not.
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Post by yorkshireman on May 4, 2017 9:59:50 GMT
All of which shows that FCA authorisation and regulation means sweet Fanny Adams as does a platform having an ISA as discussed in another thread. For the benefit of stardust en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_Adams
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Post by GeorgeT on May 4, 2017 10:06:36 GMT
I can't see Lendy getting full FCA authorisation anytime soon. It seems to be one problem after another and their systems don't seem to be robust enough. It appears they are still making changes to the way they operate and I would think that means the earliest they would get full approval would be in the autumn batch now that they have missed the spring batch.
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Post by r1200gs on May 4, 2017 10:11:51 GMT
Now now, let's not forget you have to do your own DD. Lendy didn't lend anyone's money. They just put the loan on their platform for others to choose to lend their own money... Should they have done the former? Absolutely not. But are they responsible for the latter? Equally not. It could be argued of course, that after all that thorough due diligence done by SS and their expert teams of lawyers and credit experts before the loan is offered, there really isn't much more due diligence for the lender to do. After all, Lendy are the experts. Certainly, if somebody came to me and said they had lost money lending to DP via Lendy, I for one would not be castigating them for their foolishness. That one loan opened my eyes to what goes on before I was caught out, but that was pure luck.
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Post by oldgrumpy on May 4, 2017 10:13:09 GMT
Now now, let's not forget you have to do your own DD. Lendy didn't lend anyone's money. They just put the loan on their platform for others to choose to lend their own money... Should they have done the former? Absolutely not. But are they responsible for the latter? Equally not. Absolutely! So Lendy (and other platforms) try to make damned sure you can't find out the borrowers' identities. Of course, they don't succeed. The trouble is, most P2P lenders don't even try, or some borrowers would be told firmly to "go away*", as would some platforms. (* "go away", this is a euphemism)
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Post by Liz on May 4, 2017 10:51:10 GMT
Some might say, why is anyone leaving LTPP? You can and I have earned 12.8% AER per year, no losses and a liquid SM most of the time. No SM fees, no membership fees and a free PF to protect members. You all need to get a pair of these: Attachments:
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Post by r1200gs on May 4, 2017 11:05:26 GMT
Some might say, why is anyone leaving LTPP? You can and I have earned 12.8% AER per year, no losses and a liquid SM most of the time. No SM fees, no membership fees and a free PF to protect members. You all need to get a pair of these: True, me too. But as the defaults mount, the rates drop, the amount in the provision fund kept secret and presumably not because it's running a healthy surplus..... What is it they say about past performance?
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Post by p2plender on May 4, 2017 13:05:16 GMT
, how many times, the PF is 2% of the loan book. Now onto a more serious topic. When The Times broke the story re our man and his dodgy dealings, it was still quite possible to shift the loan on the sm and quite quickly I recall. Now, I very much doubt you could shift much at all. How times have changed, 'investors' have become a little more astute once the 'defaulted loans' page was introduced..
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Post by oldgrumpy on May 4, 2017 13:19:26 GMT
errr... no it isn't. The aim is for it to be 2% of the loan book, (but it may well not be at any moment in time and we are just not going to give you any indication whatsoever of its actual level - so "go away").
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Post by Liz on May 4, 2017 13:23:50 GMT
errr... no it isn't. The aim is for it to be 2% of the loan book, (but it may well not be at any moment in time and we are just not going to give you any indication whatsoever of its actual level - so "go away"). yes it is. Put these back on and it's all rosey. Attachments:
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Post by oldgrumpy on May 4, 2017 13:38:00 GMT
Ah, so Lendy got it wrong with this reply to Brianlom's query, noted on the other thread: I took the opportunity to write to Lendy on this subject, this was their response:
"The Lendy platform operates a discretionary Provision Fund, In the event of a default, if we are unable to recover sufficient funds through disposal of the security, lenders can apply to the provision fund for compensation for any losses to their capital.
The fund is maintained by Lendy, who owns and operates the platform. The Fund aims to have a minimum balance of 2% of the total live loan amount at any time, with the actual value tending to fluctuate as loans launch and repay. We are therefore not publishing its size at any given time.
Every time a new loan is made a proportion of the fee charged to the borrower is paid into the Provision Fund (the amount is dependent on the loan size). If the Provision Fund is used to cover a shortfall in asset disposal, then it may take time to top the Provision Fund back up from company cashflow.Doesn't matter to me really, as the few loans I am maintaining on Lendy I do on the basis that the PF won't have survived the current default list by the time I have already sold up. Appy Daze edit: ey-up ... Liz has done a slight rephrase and added an extra smiley .... it's amazing how those little images add nuance ...
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Post by Liz on May 4, 2017 14:01:45 GMT
oldgrumpy I think you misunderstood me. I was talking about those who look at Lendy through rose tinted glasses see whatever they want. Be it great borrowers, security or a PF that will bail them out. I suspect LTPP will have to change policy when the next defaulted loan can't be bailed out. When that happens it will hit the fan and the exodus will begin.
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Post by oldgrumpy on May 4, 2017 14:11:46 GMT
Liz I wasn't sure there ... didn't look like your usual stance ... I think fillups will provide the most widespread fan-fodder - but maybe another year (even two) of "clarifications" and "offers" and other delaying manoeuvres. Gloucestershire6 look particularly hairy too. Unclear what Chaletb'urg's repayment performance might be. Stiill, Lendy "know" their customers so they have made the decision that they are creditworthy. Liam said so. So that's all right then.
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Post by dandy on May 4, 2017 14:20:57 GMT
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