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Post by mah on Oct 29, 2021 14:08:09 GMT
£1M recovered. Tranche 2 was for £23K. Anyone knows the Full Loan Amount ?
Edit - I can see that it was around £1.3M.
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Post by pfffill on Oct 29, 2021 14:13:19 GMT
£1328k. If the net received is around £900k, we may get 65% RoC, no interest, natch.
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Post by hubert on Jan 22, 2022 19:37:18 GMT
29/10/21. Sold with funds received & breakdown said to be in due course.
Why is it taking so long ?
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Post by df on Jan 22, 2022 20:18:07 GMT
29/10/21. Sold with funds received & breakdown said to be in due course. Why is it taking so long ? Is Oct 21 about 28 months from when the loan defaulted? That's not long, many of these type of loans take longer to recover. It would be interesting to see what percentage of capital we'll get from 'quarry' loans, but it will probably take a long time to find out.
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Post by pfffill on Jan 23, 2022 12:42:22 GMT
29/10/21. Sold with funds received & breakdown said to be in due course. Why is it taking so long ? Is Oct 21 about 28 months from when the loan defaulted? That's not long, many of these type of loans take longer to recover. It would be interesting to see what percentage of capital we'll get from 'quarry' loans, but it will probably take a long time to find out. With all recovered loan monies still caught up in this Quistclose fiasco, even if we know the amount recovered per individual loan (as in this case), we still will not know what percentage of the total loan we will receive back until Quistclose is resolved - and that's assuming whoever it is bringing the claim does not win their case and have a claim somehow on this or other loans.
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Post by hubert on Jan 23, 2022 13:15:34 GMT
I still don't see why it takes 3 months to produce a breakdown of the proceeds, showing how much the vultures have taken & what it leaves lenders; that's before further vultures may reduce it even further.
Even though we can't presently get at it, our accounts should show a credit by now.
On my previous sales, the proceeds were shown within weeks not months.
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Post by iRobot on Jan 23, 2022 13:50:11 GMT
Quistclose matters not withstanding, I believe another part of the issue (major or minor, I don't know - but I suspect the former) is that the Administrators do not know how to produce the breakdown. From last November's report: For the most part, it used to a relatively straight-forward 'formula': amount realised less 3rd party costs, less FS' 5%, less CG's 3% = balance to be returned to the lenders. That 5% went to FS and effectively became part of their 'operational pot'. The administrators, CG&Co, were relying on that 'pot' to cover off any and all additional costs to the administration, eg: their time and other costs associated with the day-to-day running of a company* in administration, as well their direct time (and any other costs) in administering loans where there were no realisations and so their time could not be covered by imposing their 3% fee (more accurately, 2.5%+VAT). I suspect - but don't know - that this could have implication on pay-outs to lenders already made. So if there is any money in the 'pot' that may be significantly depleted in order to cover the repayment of the 5% deducted; or whatever needs to be repaid as a result of negotiations with the CC. I also suspect none of the CC are able to comment due to NDA's (but tagging Mucho P2P on the off chance) so, if we don't see any repayments made to lenders which include a breakdown, I suspect lenders will need to wait until around May for the next Administrators report. *Talking of which, I note the Company Accounts are overdue. I wonder if that's also related to the position FundingSecure finds itself in with regard to be 'a going concern', or similar. It might have been that it was considered that the 5% levy on a guesstimated portion of the loan book that was returned would be sufficient to cover the forecasted costs of 'gracefully' running down that loan book and fully winding down FundingSecure as a legal entity. Now that 5% has been removed, maybe that has become questionable. Dunno - absolute speculation on my part.
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Post by Mucho P2P on Jan 23, 2022 22:19:32 GMT
Quistclose matters not withstanding, I believe another part of the issue (major or minor, I don't know - but I suspect the former) is that the Administrators do not know how to produce the breakdown. From last November's report: For the most part, it used to a relatively straight-forward 'formula': amount realised less 3rd party costs, less FS' 5%, less CG's 3% = balance to be returned to the lenders. That 5% went to FS and effectively became part of their 'operational pot'. The administrators, CG&Co, were relying on that 'pot' to cover off any and all additional costs to the administration, eg: their time and other costs associated with the day-to-day running of a company* in administration, as well their direct time (and any other costs) in administering loans where there were no realisations and so their time could not be covered by imposing their 3% fee (more accurately, 2.5%+VAT). I suspect - but don't know - that this could have implication on pay-outs to lenders already made. So if there is any money in the 'pot' that may be significantly depleted in order to cover the repayment of the 5% deducted; or whatever needs to be repaid as a result of negotiations with the CC. I also suspect none of the CC are able to comment due to NDA's (but tagging Mucho P2P on the off chance) so, if we don't see any repayments made to lenders which include a breakdown, I suspect lenders will need to wait until around May for the next Administrators report. *Talking of which, I note the Company Accounts are overdue. I wonder if that's also related to the position FundingSecure finds itself in with regard to be 'a going concern', or similar. It might have been that it was considered that the 5% levy on a guesstimated portion of the loan book that was returned would be sufficient to cover the forecasted costs of 'gracefully' running down that loan book and fully winding down FundingSecure as a legal entity. Now that 5% has been removed, maybe that has become questionable. Dunno - absolute speculation on my part. We had the first Committee meeting of the year last week. We were presented with a fair number of figures during the last meeting, and there is bona fide reason why breakdowns are not being given at this time. As you state (and my apologies for my recent silence), but I cannot elaborate further due to the NDA at this time. Publishing a heavily redacted set of minutes was discussed, and this task might resume in the future.
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Post by stankroenke1 on Feb 24, 2022 16:12:45 GMT
£871,357.78 left after the sale and expenses paid, C G might syphon some more out. will we get our investment back ?
Please note that the above calculation is being provided for illustrative purposes only and is subject to change. The Joint Administrators and the Creditors’ Committee are currently finalising a sum to be deducted from all loans in order to fund the ongoing expenses of the Administration for the benefit of all Investors and Creditors which will be applied to the above calculation. The final sum available to Investors will be confirmed in due course, once both the position is resolved with the Creditors’ Committee and funds are able to be released back to Investors.
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Post by pfffill on Feb 25, 2022 19:24:15 GMT
£871,357.78 left after the sale and expenses paid, C G might syphon some more out. will we get our investment back ? Please note that the above calculation is being provided for illustrative purposes only and is subject to change. The Joint Administrators and the Creditors’ Committee are currently finalising a sum to be deducted from all loans in order to fund the ongoing expenses of the Administration for the benefit of all Investors and Creditors which will be applied to the above calculation. The final sum available to Investors will be confirmed in due course, once both the position is resolved with the Creditors’ Committee and funds are able to be released back to Investors. As I said from my post above, the net is likely to be around 65% of capital returned, no interest. That assumes no further charges from C&G or the Quistclose nonsense.
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Post by stankroenke1 on May 31, 2023 12:42:25 GMT
On seeing the current cash release by the admin, anyone care to give an educated guess on what % we can expect to receive on this if any. Am I right in noting this has no connection to quistclose case. Thanks
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