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Post by elephantrosie on Aug 22, 2017 18:11:39 GMT
Following advice from another fellow forumer here, I have checked and found that indeed i could open a ltd company for p2p investment. Now I wonder how much should i earn from p2p annnually/ monthly to make it worth doing so? Accountant fees itself is a few thousand quids. I would like to hear from more experienced p2p investors.
Thanks!
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Post by Nomad on Aug 22, 2017 18:16:28 GMT
Following advice from another fellow forumer here, I have checked and found that indeed i could open a ltd company for p2p investment. Now I wonder how much should i earn from p2p annnually/ monthly to make it worth doing so? Accountant fees itself is a few thousand quids. I would like to hear from more experienced p2p investors. Thanks! Expensive accountant!
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Post by SteveT on Aug 22, 2017 18:17:00 GMT
Following advice from another fellow forumer here, I have checked and found that indeed i could open a ltd company for p2p investment. Now I wonder how much should i earn from p2p annnually/ monthly to make it worth doing so? Accountant fees itself is a few thousand quids. I would like to hear from more experienced p2p investors. Thanks! A few thousand quids??!! They're having you on. I draw £6-8k salary to accrue State Pension credit without incurring NI, plus £5k divs and keep the rest within the company. Make sure you reserve to the maximum extent justifiable for expected bad debts.
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Post by elephantrosie on Aug 22, 2017 18:29:32 GMT
typing error. i mean a few hundred quids.
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Post by elephantrosie on Aug 22, 2017 18:32:14 GMT
Following advice from another fellow forumer here, I have checked and found that indeed i could open a ltd company for p2p investment. Now I wonder how much should i earn from p2p annnually/ monthly to make it worth doing so? Accountant fees itself is a few thousand quids. I would like to hear from more experienced p2p investors. Thanks! A few thousand quids??!! They're having you on. I draw £6-8k salary to accrue State Pension credit without incurring NI, plus £5k divs and keep the rest within the company. Make sure you reserve to the maximum extent justifiable for expected bad debts. thanks. will take into consideration of bad debts. do you mean an 11k annual earning from p2p before tax?
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Post by justme on Aug 22, 2017 19:06:51 GMT
But why would you want to open ltd company ? As far as I know people do it so that they can get money as dividends instead of earned income so they pay less tax on it. The difference is about 10% on a part of that money.(there may be way of taking part of that money as capital gains from ltd , I do not know - more knowledgeable people would tell you) How much should you earn in p2p for a difference of 10% tax on a part of it to be benefitial ? In any case the best person to advise would be your accountant who knows your situation and numbers.
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Post by SteveT on Aug 22, 2017 19:35:05 GMT
I'd have to agree that there aren't many substantial advantages to lending via a company, and it would be hard to justify adding a lot of cost and admin hassle if you don't already have one.
One scenario where it could make sense is if you were paying large amounts of Higher Rate tax now on P2P income but expect to be a Basic Rate (or nil rate) taxpayer a few years down the line.
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Post by fp on Aug 22, 2017 20:31:01 GMT
It doesn't make financial sense for everyone, a lot depends on your personal circumstances.
Anything I earn from P2P is subject to higher rate tax, so i've "loaned" some of my own money to one of my limited companies to invest in P2P, now i'm only paying corporation tax on the interest which enables me to build up the pot faster than I would if paying income tax on it.
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Post by david42 on Aug 22, 2017 20:33:35 GMT
Now that dividend tax credits have been abolished, it can easily cost more to invest via a company than it does to invest as an individual. The main tax benefits for a company are: - A company provides an opportunity to defer income to later years
- A higher rate tax payer benefits from having the first £5,000 of dividends taxed at only 19% corporation tax. But that allowance is being reduced to £2,000 from next year.
- More generous criteria for offsetting expenses against the income.
- If you have a trading company, you might eventually be able to extract some of the remaining profit as entrepreneurs releif. But I don't think a company that earned its main income from P2P investments would qualify as a trading company.
After making maximum use of these benefits, the tax downside is that any income that you need to take from the company as dividends is now subject to double taxation. You pay 19% corporation tax as well as paying tax on the dividend at your marginal tax rate at the time you take the dividend.
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Post by elephantrosie on Aug 22, 2017 21:05:35 GMT
I pay 40% tax. I think I would probably saved only an extra 2k annually from having a limited company.
That is nett income.
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Post by Mike on Aug 22, 2017 21:12:47 GMT
As everyone says it depends. Although the divi allowance is dropping you could make several family members shareholders (perhaps) distributing your wealth efficiently.
Depending in the time it takes to admin the company you could also employ family member to do this and use up any of their remaining tax-free allowance.
There are some other benefits - 'trivial gifts', annual parties, other small stuff, that may or may not apply/appeal in your case.
I am unsure what special rules surround companies primarily set up as investment vehicles. If you are were planning to non-res for long enough (its no longer only a full year) that might be an escape?
*Edit: One thing you might (not) care about is the added complexity of winding up where there is almost certainly going to be a hangover from distressed loans. I don't know enough about this to know how much of a headache it is(n't).
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Post by stevio on Aug 23, 2017 7:19:23 GMT
Following advice from another fellow forumer here, I have checked and found that indeed i could open a ltd company for p2p investment. Now I wonder how much should i earn from p2p annnually/ monthly to make it worth doing so? Accountant fees itself is a few thousand quids. I would like to hear from more experienced p2p investors. Thanks! A few thousand quids??!! They're having you on. I draw £6-8k salary to accrue State Pension credit without incurring NI, plus £5k divs and keep the rest within the company. Make sure you reserve to the maximum extent justifiable for expected bad debts. What did you mean by your last sentence?
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Post by SteveT on Aug 23, 2017 7:31:46 GMT
A few thousand quids??!! They're having you on. I draw £6-8k salary to accrue State Pension credit without incurring NI, plus £5k divs and keep the rest within the company. Make sure you reserve to the maximum extent justifiable for expected bad debts. What did you mean by your last sentence? See here
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Post by stevio on Aug 23, 2017 7:45:05 GMT
It doesn't make financial sense for everyone, a lot depends on your personal circumstances. Anything I earn from P2P is subject to higher rate tax, so i've "loaned" some of my own money to one of my limited companies to invest in P2P, now i'm only paying corporation tax on the interest which enables me to build up the pot faster than I would if paying income tax on it. At no interest charge to company? Can you defer interest, say to a time when you are a lower rate tax payer?
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Post by stevio on Aug 23, 2017 8:19:24 GMT
What did you mean by your last sentence? See hereThanks, any other gems for business tax deductions in investments? Or where to start!
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