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Post by dan1 on Sept 21, 2019 18:45:29 GMT
With Labour imploding in full view of the public they're not seriously in a position to fight a GE. Depending on events up until Halloween I'd guess another referendum has notched up a level as compared to a GE which must have notched down a level.
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Post by martin44 on Sept 21, 2019 19:10:16 GMT
You aren't actually under the impression this has been properly thought-through, are you? I find a number of Labour's suggestions quite worrying. This is one, another is the 4-day week (for 5 days pay), because I could see them being attractive to millions of voters who might not realise possible repercussions. Dare i say.. this is a good idea, its not "exactly" a 4 day week, the proposal is 5 days (working hours) condensed into 4 days, i would presume 4 x 10 hour days and friday off.. i like the sound of that, wouldn't work in all industries, but where it could work i'm all for it. Friday=fishing Saturday=match sunday=pub What can go wrong?
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Post by cb25 on Sept 21, 2019 19:52:20 GMT
I find a number of Labour's suggestions quite worrying. This is one, another is the 4-day week (for 5 days pay), because I could see them being attractive to millions of voters who might not realise possible repercussions. Dare i say.. this is a good idea, its not "exactly" a 4 day week, the proposal is 5 days (working hours) condensed into 4 days, i would presume 4 x 10 hour days and friday off.. i like the sound of that, wouldn't work in all industries, but where it could work i'm all for it. Friday=fishing Saturday=match sunday=pub What can go wrong? Articles like this suggest McDonnell wants to reduce the number of hours worked, or here on the BBC which talks about a 32-hour working week
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Post by Godanubis on Sept 22, 2019 1:58:05 GMT
Dare i say.. this is a good idea, its not "exactly" a 4 day week, the proposal is 5 days (working hours) condensed into 4 days, i would presume 4 x 10 hour days and friday off.. i like the sound of that, wouldn't work in all industries, but where it could work i'm all for it. Friday=fishing Saturday=match sunday=pub What can go wrong? Articles like this suggest McDonnell wants to reduce the number of hours worked, or here on the BBC which talks about a 32-hour working week At £305 a day for 20 mins + expenses for turning up for House of Lords and 782 of them they cost quite a lot . Are they value for money ?.
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Post by adrianc on Sept 22, 2019 7:49:06 GMT
Slightly off topic, but I saw a wonderful article on the BBC web site yesterday.
The good people of Del boy country are concerned that their MP wants to become speaker, so the elite of Camberwell and Peckham constituency party had a vote on whether Harriet Harman should apply for the job. The vote finishe 21 - 21, but after a recount it was 26 - 22 against her applying.
Yes I read that and thought wt* : what were they using to count it ? A random number generator ?? They "found" another half-dozen votes that'd been dropped and not counted? <hides pen>
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Post by scc on Sept 22, 2019 13:36:03 GMT
You aren't actually under the impression this has been properly thought-through, are you? I find a number of Labour's suggestions quite worrying. This is one, another is the 4-day week (for 5 days pay), because I could see them being attractive to millions of voters who might not realise possible repercussions. I could see it working, but probably needs staging and testing. You could work towards it by increasing the number of bank holidays to start with. Retail, travel and leisure industries might well get a boost. Overall, public health might improve. Potentially, productivity might as well as the workforce might spend less dossing/being exhausted (I doubt many will claim that Friday afternoon is their most productive time of the week). It is quite arbitrary that we work 5 rather than 4 or 7 or 2 days a week and there's no reason to believe it is the optimal amount of hours for a healthy/successful workforce and economy. Indeed, I recall seeing a study that those aged 40+ would be best off working 3 days a week.
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Post by adrianc on Sept 22, 2019 13:49:31 GMT
I find a number of Labour's suggestions quite worrying. This is one, another is the 4-day week (for 5 days pay), because I could see them being attractive to millions of voters who might not realise possible repercussions. I could see it working, but probably needs staging and testing. You could work towards it by increasing the number of bank holidays to start with. Retail, travel and leisure industries might well get a boost. Overall, public health might improve. Potentially, productivity might as well as the workforce might spend less dossing/being exhausted (I doubt many will claim that Friday afternoon is their most productive time of the week). It is quite arbitrary that we work 5 rather than 4 or 7 or 2 days a week and there's no reason to believe it is the optimal amount of hours for a healthy/successful workforce and economy. Indeed, I recall seeing a study that those aged 40+ would be best off working 3 days a week. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/35-hour_workweek
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Post by michaelc on Sept 22, 2019 15:30:08 GMT
You aren't actually under the impression this has been properly thought-through, are you? I find a number of Labour's suggestions quite worrying. This is one, another is the 4-day week (for 5 days pay), because I could see them being attractive to millions of voters who might not realise possible repercussions.This is one of the arguments some remainers use as to why we should ignore the vote of the 2016 referendum. Most people are decent and whilst there may be a spread of education and intelligence we should not be afraid of them. Most people will make the "right" choice on fundamental issues most of the time espeically when campaigners are out presenting both arguments. Its why Jurers don't have to pass IQ tests. We have a democracy. It would be tragic to lose it.
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Post by agent69 on Sept 22, 2019 18:23:35 GMT
You aren't actually under the impression this has been properly thought-through, are you? I find a number of Labour's suggestions quite worrying. This is one, another is the 4-day week (for 5 days pay), because I could see them being attractive to millions of voters who might not realise possible repercussions. But it won't get them the ever increasing pensioner vote
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Post by registerme on Sept 22, 2019 18:40:25 GMT
Well it sounds like Johnson's synonym has got him in trouble again. Perhaps big trouble.
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Post by scc on Sept 22, 2019 20:30:56 GMT
Well it sounds like Johnson's synonym has got him in trouble again. Perhaps big trouble. Possibly, but given we in a post-fact, post-any attempt to demonstrate ethical behaviour world I'd personally be surprised if it dents him - even if proved true. An election might be more likely to topple him, if Corbyn wasn't the opposition. For sure, I can't see Johnson going down well with floating voters outside of London.
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Post by agent69 on Sept 22, 2019 21:02:37 GMT
Well it sounds like Johnson's synonym has got him in trouble again. Perhaps big trouble. Possibly, but given we in a post-fact, post-any attempt to demonstrate ethical behaviour world I'd personally be surprised if it dents him - even if proved true. An election might be more likely to topple him, if Corbyn wasn't the opposition. For sure, I can't see Johnson going down well with floating voters outside of London. I see Labour clarified their position on Brexit at conference today:
- They want an election
- During any election campaign they won't say if they are for or against Brexit
- If they win a GE they will negotiate a sensible deal with Europe
- They will then have a one day conference to decide if they are for or against Brexit
- The people will get a referendum on either the Labout deal or remain
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Post by cb25 on Sept 22, 2019 21:44:56 GMT
Labour showing their authoritarian side wrt education here
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Post by df on Sept 23, 2019 6:11:16 GMT
Labour showing their authoritarian side wrt education hereDefinitely agree with Ofsted being scrapped and replaced with something that supports teaching and learning. This is long overdue.
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Post by adrianc on Sept 23, 2019 7:12:39 GMT
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