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Post by mfaxford on Nov 16, 2021 20:39:55 GMT
Not reading the instructions is the problem. I recently stayed with some very bright friends who had three kettles, a gas kettle, an electric kettle and a microwave kettle. They had them for two years and still didn't know which used the least energy.
Humans can be morons
Not reading instructions (or not having detailed enough instructions is a problem) - I've found some set's of instructions to be lacking in useful detail (or it's hidden away in such a way it's near impossible to find). As for the kettles I wonder how many people would know which of them is most efficient in terms of energy used (which is a different question to which is the cheapest to use). It might also depend on whether you're just heating the water or if you need it boiling. In theory all three ought to use the same energy (assuming they were suitably insulated to minimise heat loss).
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Post by keitha on Nov 16, 2021 20:53:20 GMT
Erm I'd disagree
Gas likely to use more as many people have flames leaping up the sides as they do with saucepans
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Post by littleoldlady on Nov 16, 2021 21:50:13 GMT
bobo poses the question as if it's a simple one when in fact it's very complicated. No set of instructions could possibly cover every aspect. A couple of examples. Firstly there's the matter of the energy used in the construction of each kettle (often ignored when talking about electric cars.) Then there is the question of what happens to the heat generated which does not go into the water - particularly for a kettle on a gas hob. If the room it is in is being heated - thermostatically controlled - this energy is not lost, otherwise it it is. And so on.
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Post by adrianc on Nov 17, 2021 8:01:38 GMT
"It has always been the right who were in favour of slavery, the left against it". Say that to the Russians in the Gulags, or the Uyghurs in China. It is not a right/left split. It is a totalitarian/ freedom split. Neither the right nor the left have a monopoly of virtue Yes, left/right in an international context is very different to left/right in a domestic western world context. With that caveat accepted, adrianc 's position is correct. My apologies. I assumed it was clear I was referring solely to the US political spectrum. The Democrats are, of course, no way "left" on any non-US spectrum...
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Post by keitha on Nov 17, 2021 11:18:37 GMT
Yes, left/right in an international context is very different to left/right in a domestic western world context. With that caveat accepted, adrianc 's position is correct. My apologies. I assumed it was clear I was referring solely to the US political spectrum. The Democrats are, of course, no way "left" on any non-US spectrum... You are correct Bernie Saunders is regarded as almost a Marxist by many Americans, yet I'd put him to the right of Corbyn. I regularly get told the UK must be Socialist ( and occasionally communist ) because we have a funded Health Service.
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Post by adrianc on Nov 17, 2021 11:33:24 GMT
I regularly get told the UK must be Socialist ( and occasionally communist ) because we have a funded Health Service. "Americans are afraid of providing public healthcare, because they think their current cost is the REAL cost..."Friends in the village are a half-US/half-GB couple, 60s. They've just spent three months in the US for family stuff. Health insurance for the trip? £5k.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2021 12:20:18 GMT
American's have a fear of the words socialism and communism which lack the third word, "education".
The US maintain a number of socialist activities that they believe are evidence of the right way of doing things. For instance they maintain a public citizen army.
But, and this is the key point, they don't have lobbiests fighting against a public army and pushing say hireable private armies. They do have lobbiests fighting against single payer negotiations for medical services or medicine.
While we like to feel the NHS is wonderful. The key benefit we released by moving to a socialist system is we got buying clout and we use it. Hence we pay some of the lowest costs in the western world. Is it the best system, probably not.
But don't worry politicians (funded by lobbyiest) don't even want to look at the great Canadian system
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Post by keitha on Nov 17, 2021 13:52:39 GMT
I regularly get told the UK must be Socialist ( and occasionally communist ) because we have a funded Health Service. "Americans are afraid of providing public healthcare, because they think their current cost is the REAL cost..."Friends in the village are a half-US/half-GB couple, 60s. They've just spent three months in the US for family stuff. Health insurance for the trip? £5k. Wow, comparing that to my late in laws they went to Australia for 3 months and paid just over £1000, and they were both a similar age and had preexisting conditions.
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Post by adrianc on Nov 17, 2021 13:54:01 GMT
"Americans are afraid of providing public healthcare, because they think their current cost is the REAL cost..."Friends in the village are a half-US/half-GB couple, 60s. They've just spent three months in the US for family stuff. Health insurance for the trip? £5k. Wow, comparing that to my late in laws they went to Australia for 3 months and paid just over £1000, and they were both a similar age and had preexisting conditions. I rather suspect "pandemic" is a large part of that... The US, of course, only let him in because she's a US national and flew over before him - so he was "joining her".
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Post by adrianc on Nov 17, 2021 19:59:07 GMT
"Americans are afraid of providing public healthcare, because they think their current cost is the REAL cost..." And, right on cue...
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Post by michaelc on Nov 17, 2021 20:09:50 GMT
When people talk about the NHS in an international context its usually the US that crops up. For middle earners and above their system certainly provides a better system than we have. In the UK, even those who chose to care more about their health or are given free insurance from their workplace, the options are poor. Private hospitals here are appalling. Little better than 5 star hotels with a resident bigshot surgeon on the premises for the duration of his list. But no emergency capability if a procedure goes wrong. Of course for those on very low or no incomes, the US is worse than here as their safety net is very thin.
I would like to know more about how other countries manage their citizens health. Perhaps something like the NHS but paid for by patients after treatment? I don't know - need to look into it.
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Post by registerme on Nov 17, 2021 21:05:03 GMT
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Nov 17, 2021 22:44:33 GMT
"Americans are afraid of providing public healthcare, because they think their current cost is the REAL cost..." And, right on cue... One curious advantage of streaming football is that you get to see adverts from all around the World. I would not offer it as undisputed evidence but one such commercial shows a woman and small child in a 'whatever American chemist is called' looking very sad at the price of a prescription. The woman behind the counter takes pity and shows her an App on a phone that somehow gets the prescription for a fraction of the original price. So maybe this is one of those cases where things are not always as they first appear. Malaysian adverts are my favourite if anybody cares.
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Post by adrianc on Nov 18, 2021 7:59:23 GMT
One curious advantage of streaming football is that you get to see adverts from all around the World. I would not offer it as undisputed evidence but one such commercial shows a woman and small child in a 'whatever American chemist is called' looking very sad at the price of a prescription. The woman behind the counter takes pity and shows her an App on a phone that somehow gets the prescription for a fraction of the original price. I believe those apps fall into two categories... The more legitimate side is simple comparison shopping between pharmacies... www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/goodrx-app-prescription-drug-prices_n_5d488531e4b0ca604e36acbeThe other involves parallel imports from other countries, often Mexico and other nearby developing economies, with a reasonably high chance of counterfeit products or of packages being stopped by customs.
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Post by keitha on Nov 18, 2021 11:09:22 GMT
One curious advantage of streaming football is that you get to see adverts from all around the World. I would not offer it as undisputed evidence but one such commercial shows a woman and small child in a 'whatever American chemist is called' looking very sad at the price of a prescription. The woman behind the counter takes pity and shows her an App on a phone that somehow gets the prescription for a fraction of the original price. I believe those apps fall into two categories... The more legitimate side is simple comparison shopping between pharmacies... www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/goodrx-app-prescription-drug-prices_n_5d488531e4b0ca604e36acbeThe other involves parallel imports from other countries, often Mexico and other nearby developing economies, with a reasonably high chance of counterfeit products or of packages being stopped by customs. If you ever watch "border force" or whatever it's called every episode i've hit when flicking between channels will have at least one person stopped for smuggling painkillers etc into the US from mexico, with comments like "these are $1 each in Mexico,and sell in the US for $10. I remember years ago a friend who was a Nurse in the UK ending up in a US hospital, the bill when it came charged $40 EACH for paracetamol, I think the "hotel" charge per night was about $1,500.
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