michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Jan 10, 2022 13:07:49 GMT
All round good egg or entitled elite wanting his own exceptions?
My random thoughts are:
Aussies in general have had a very hard time of Covid rules and now they are opening up. PM wants to use Djokkovic as an example.
He appears not to have broken any Aussie law as he won his case in court today.
Regardless of that I hope Australia has learned a lesson in how _not to treat people arriving at their borders with Australia issued visas. Arresting him, removing his phone and wallet is how you would treat a criminal. I tend to displike border force types at the best of times.
Even if you think he'd done something wrong which I don't, there is a case that those at the very pinnacle of their sport might well be given preferential treatment. You might at first think hang on no thats wrong but what is put at risk is the entire sport that they compete in. Having characters we like to hate (not Djokovic IMO) sometimes happens in sport. The arrogant "I'm the best" etc when they really are the best is interesting. To remove the best guy in the sport who is on the cusp of beating the best ever record of tournament wins would be very damaging. IF there are to be exceptions to health policy for anyone, I'd put the very, very top sportsmen much higher up the list for exceptions than politicians, embassy civil servants and other rich people.
Of course he had a medical exception. If Australia didn't want recent infection to be used as a medical exception they should have stated that explicitly in their statute.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 10, 2022 13:22:17 GMT
He appears not to have broken any Aussie law as he won his case in court today. I'm not sure it's that clearcut. AIUI, the court found the gov't didn't follow the correct process.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 10, 2022 13:41:49 GMT
All round good egg or entitled elite wanting his own exceptions? Oh, definitely not the first of those. While tour events are cancelled in worldwide lockdowns in 2020, decides to holds an exhibition tournament in Serbia, completely lacking suitable protocols: he and a bunch of others catch Covid. And anti vaccine. So utterly failing to get to grips with the reality of Covid, and failing to provide the kind of leadership he could given his position and name recognition. You might even argue that what with being a national hero in Serbia, taking the position he does he is responsible for deaths of his countrymen who follow his anti vax lead. I think nick Nick Kyrgios prior comments that he is "a tool" are not that far of the mark. That is not incompatible with him having been treated really badly by combination of Tennis Aus, Victoria State Govt, Aus Federal Govt, and Border Force.
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Post by registerme on Jan 10, 2022 14:34:26 GMT
Doesn't have to be an "or" there. He can be both (arguably) the best tennis player the world as ever seen, and a complete twit.
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Post by travolta on Jan 10, 2022 15:08:01 GMT
agree, but would replace 'tw' with 'sh' .
and while we are being racist I would comment that he is typical of a whole strata of Eastern European Males who have a strong culture of being complete a/holes .
I feel that you should be able to be single minded and a good sport but can anyone name a successful sports person (of today) that can fit this criteria ?
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Post by michaelc on Jan 10, 2022 15:15:04 GMT
agree, but would replace 'tw' with 'sh' . and while we are being racist I would comment that he is typical of a whole strata of Eastern European Males who have a strong culture of being complete a/holes .I feel that you should be able to be single minded and a good sport but can anyone name a successful sports person (of today) that can fit this criteria ? I don't know that anyone so far is being racist? As for EEM I've tended to get on ok with them when I've come across them in the UK. Their tradespeople tend in my experience to be more conscientious than _some_ of their UK counterparts. Just in my experience. In Ukraine, some definitely have a bit of a macho swagger about them. Thinking driving is not about safe transportation but more about racing for example. Maybe its because their wives are often like those straight out of UK in the 1950s.
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Post by keitha on Jan 10, 2022 15:31:05 GMT
In my experience EEM also tend to carry knives, and from the altercations between them I've seen are happy to pull them and wave them around. Oddly only once actually seen one used.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 16:21:12 GMT
i'm not sure dragging out stereotypes really helps the discussion.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 10, 2022 16:41:25 GMT
.... I feel that you should be able to be single minded and a good sport but can anyone name a successful sports person (of today) that can fit this criteria ? Andy Murray Joe Root Marcus Rashford* Raheem Sterling* Lewis Hamilton* Tom Daley Roger Federer Rafael Nadal Gianmarco Tamberi & Mutaz Barshim I'm sure there are others. * These 3 appear to be particularly polarising in the eyes of the popular (ist ?) media/sections of the public: possibly not unrelated to the fact that they are black/mixed race........
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Post by travolta on Jan 10, 2022 16:56:44 GMT
i'm not sure dragging out stereotypes really helps the discussion. Only if the person concerned is behaving in a particularly stereotypical manner and apparently succeeding and reinforcing its success . If he was a statue he should end up in Sydney Harbour IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 17:03:05 GMT
sorry travolta, I agree the man is an ass, but I'm not buying the stereotype. People are individuals and deserve to be treated as such.
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Post by travolta on Jan 10, 2022 17:10:14 GMT
sorry travolta, I agree the man is an ass, but I'm not buying the stereotype. People are individuals and deserve to be treated as such. Apology accepted . Ingenuous, Bobo . He represents a sport, Serbia and world approbation. Currently he is playing the 'Serbian Male Card '.
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Post by james100 on Jan 10, 2022 17:22:50 GMT
agree, but would replace 'tw' with 'sh' . and while we are being racist I would comment that he is typical of a whole strata of Eastern European Males who have a strong culture of being complete a/holes .I feel that you should be able to be single minded and a good sport but can anyone name a successful sports person (of today) that can fit this criteria ? I don't know that anyone so far is being racist? As for EEM I've tended to get on ok with them when I've come across them in the UK. Their tradespeople tend in my experience to be more conscientious than _some_ of their UK counterparts. Just in my experience. In Ukraine, some definitely have a bit of a macho swagger about them. Thinking driving is not about safe transportation but more about racing for example. Maybe its because their wives are often like those straight out of UK in the 1950s.(my bold) I don't understand this bit
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michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Jan 10, 2022 17:32:11 GMT
I don't know that anyone so far is being racist? As for EEM I've tended to get on ok with them when I've come across them in the UK. Their tradespeople tend in my experience to be more conscientious than _some_ of their UK counterparts. Just in my experience. In Ukraine, some definitely have a bit of a macho swagger about them. Thinking driving is not about safe transportation but more about racing for example. Maybe its because their wives are often like those straight out of UK in the 1950s.(my bold) I don't understand this bit The stereotype largely fits this profile and is still very common in Ukraine and Russia: www.google.com/search?q=1950s+housewifeI agree with Bobo to a limited extent in that I always treat every person as I find them. However, I don't agree that it is impossible to categorise different behaviours across different nations and cultures and indeed regions or towns within nations.
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Post by james100 on Jan 10, 2022 17:36:22 GMT
(my bold) I don't understand this bit The stereotype largely fits this profile and is still very common in Ukraine and Russia: www.google.com/search?q=1950s+housewifeI agree with Bobo to a limited extent in that I always treat every person as I find them. However, I don't agree that it is impossible to categorise different behaviours across different nations and cultures and indeed regions or towns within nations. But why would a female be responsible for the dangerous driving of their husband? That's the bit I can't get my head around. Edit: the pics in that link are hilarious! Edit 2:....unless you are a female in which case a dystopian nightmare...
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